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• 1 akeel.rehman // Jan 8, 2008 at 4:44 am

  this is the same bulshit that Bush and Mush used to tell us. these might be your thoughts and i must respect your opinion. i am neither a supporter of JI nor i like them but this is ridiculous to allege anybody just on the basis of rumors and propaganda. we must start thinking with our own mind.

  pardon me if hurt ur feelings.

• 2 Sufi // Jan 8, 2008 at 3:08 pm

  This is no bulshit my honey nor ridiculous. Musharraf and Bush are busy to tell us the face of Qazi and JI. The teachings of the orgnization is based on hatred,intimidation,cohersion and threaths.
  This founder of this orgnization had called the founder of Pakistan “Kafir Azam”. One must read the declassified report of CIA about the activities of Moduddi. Mouddudi was the a CIA agent. He had all the facilities provided by the CIA for spying. Mouddudi hatched a great conspiracy against the people of Pakistan using the conception of hypocricy.
  The JI waged the US Jihad in Afghanistan used the innocent youth of Pakistan. Qazi the harsh critic of the US sent his son abroad for higher studies. All JI leaders who seems to be the enemy of US are actually the US agents . For the service of hypocricy they receive US dollars.
  In order to destablize our country these so called US crtitic always play their dirty role.
  JI called the US Jihad of Afghanistan a blessing,but the blessing resulted the flow of Klashankov,Suicide bombing,extremism,terrorism,fanaticism and mullahism. How could the architect of the suicide bombings would be challanged by the suicide bomber? I think one must read the history of the JI and the cheif of hypocrites carefully.
  JI has long been the ally of militry establishment. And there is no doubt in my mind that they still have a great relationship. They would never part their ways. Mullah militry alliance is still active on the ground.

  So the Qazi’s and Maullana’s would never deviate from thier postion. They would remain royal to the generals and the US. Mullahas are the secret weapons of neo imperialism. No suicide bomber would hit them. They are the great asset of the generals.

• 3 S.A.Kazmi // Jan 11, 2008 at 1:35 am

  I partially agree with the original article and the comments of Mr Sufi.Why is it so that The Jamaat-e-Islami never criticise or condemn the suicide bombings , they never ever condemned the attacks by religious extremists sectarian groups on eachother in recent past in Pakistan.
  It was General Zia-Jamaat alliance in the eighties that is , i think , mainly responsible for all our socio-religious problems that we are facing today.How could they think in the early eighties that if they will SOW the seeds of extremeism in our society, particularly in the uneducated and poor classes of society,the country will live in peace in the years to come?People like Gen Hameed Gul ,who i suspect ,mostly masterminded the spread of jihadies training in madressas etc and who claimed to be a great visionary, could not comprehend the after effects of their venture.The policies of Gen Zia , supported by The Jamaat , had brought the following after effects:-

  a.Spread of extremeism , terrorism in the
  society/country.
  b.Breakup of Soviet Union and thus helping
  their masters ,” THE USA” to become the
  only supper power in the world.
  c.Spread of arms and Drugs in the society.
  The least i can say about The Jamaat-e-Islami is that its role has always been negative, i suspect them as agents of the enemies of Pakistan.

• 4 youaskedforit // Jan 11, 2008 at 2:51 am

  Sufi, i disagree with u on the point that JI and Military are ally of each other becuase if that is the case then the suicide bombers would not have been attacking Musharraf or any other Military personnel as in Swat, Karachi, Islamabad etc….. or they would not have been attacking the Police (just recently in Lahore), or Rangers,..the only agenda of Jamaat and Qazi Hussain is to destabilize Pakistan like Iraq and Afghanistan so that they can complete their extremist agenda and rule Pakistan in the name of Islam, other than this there is no way that Qazi can get any majority and support in Pakistan to come into power.

• 5 Sufi // Jan 11, 2008 at 6:42 pm

  I completely support the argument of Mr Kazmi about the fanatic general Hamid Gul, who worked with the CIA to spread the venom of Muhallahism in our soceitey. The former spy master,though looks like a flamboyish and fire brand critic of US,but the deeds are heavy to wash his past away. He still has relationship with the Al-Qaeeda and Taliban-and the suicide momber. Like is friend Qazi,he has never condomned suicide bombing and killing. He call shots against Musharraf,but all generals are the face of same coin. Generals have no religion nor any ideology,the license they possess is gun.
  Zia and Musharraf both dictators have the same agenda-to wreak havoc.
  So the suicide bombers would target others,but never target generals and Muhallahs.

• 6 Zeeshan Ali Rana // Jan 11, 2008 at 10:26 pm

  others wrote:

  “Like is friend Qazi,he has never condomned suicide bombing and killing.”

  “The Jamaat-e-Islami never criticise or condemn the suicide bombings , they never ever condemned the attacks by religious extremists sectarian groups on eachother in recent past in Pakistan.”

  My point:
  If someone does not condemn sth then it does not make him a part of the attackers… so just saying that he is backing suiciders is not enough to prove it. And I am sorry to say that u guys didnt even see tht he sometimes condemns the attacks too, for example see http://www.app.com.pk/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25894&Itemid=2

  come on guys grow up… just coz u dont look into facts and one does not condemn it openly doesnt make him a supporter of the attackers…

  will comment on a few other things later… gotta do a bit of work now…. but i’ll plea…….. plz grow n stop playin this blame game …. think +ve n seek for proofs b4 getting convinced n starting false propaganda… use ur heads plzzz (if u have i mean)

• 7 Usman // Jan 12, 2008 at 12:47 pm

  Well i dont find this post more or less then the same what terrorists are doing. Good work if you want to destabilize pakistan. The only way to save this country is complete democracy, independent (restore) judiciary, every one is accountable. I really find this post a waste of time. By just blaming you might achieve ur motive of disintegrating the peoples. :).. All i know is if politicians,army, judges all are also accountable for their deeds, there will be no terrorist. So stop acting like kid, no more blame game… just work for the democracy, independent judiciary and saving our constitution.

• 8 Oppenheim // Jan 12, 2008 at 7:49 pm

  Good journalists would differentiate between factual and verifiable data and hearsay, invention, and rumor and help their readers do the same.

  In what I call “conflict cultures”, journalists have an especially difficult job. Intimidation by warring parties, censorship by governments, threats by nonaligned parties who may nonetheless have private interest in sustaining political chaos, and disinformation bear down on their shoulders: instead of following, reporting, and testing (against other information and sources) investigations that help remove doubts and suspicions, they may gloss events, so that you get the surface “who” and “what happened” and then very little beneath it. That leaves much room for mischief in the minds of readers.

  Sometimes, and less with regard to Pakistan than, say, Kenya this month, I think the people are going to have to prove better than their leaders, who are too often at each other’s throats and cultivating animosity and mistrust.

• 9 Sufi // Jan 14, 2008 at 7:14 pm

  My Rana is willing to defend the extremists and terrorists who are on the run now a days. Couple of days ago the champion of US jihad in Afghanistan Genral Aslam Baig, who had long served the CIA has changed the tone. He along with the stupid generals were busy propagating the CIA backed jihad to defend the unjust and cruel gurilla war. Qazi Sahib the CIA agent called the war between Kufar and Islam. But the soviet departure eneded CIA romance partially. He is the greatest assest of the NEOC-CONS and jewish lobby.
  We come what may,would unmask the devils who use the name of Islam for thier vested interests. Zia and JI used the name of Islam to please Jewish lobby for long long time. Qazi adamant to boycott the elections seems suspicious. His long affiliation with the CIA and ruthless generals is no more secret. The suicide bombing factory he has would hurt the peaceful movement of the lawyers. I urge the lawyers to distace themselves from hypocrite Qazis and Hamid Guls.
  Pakistan needs democracy and free judiciary,but these elements have secret vested interests. So we must get rid of these elements along with Musharraf and coward generls.

• 10 Akeel // Jan 14, 2008 at 11:05 pm

  I am totally agree with Zeeshan and Usman … it is totally useless and pathetic to write such ridiculous statements without any proofs. Mr. Sufi smells like a MQM guy … they usually do this kind of attacks which never make any sense. Please think out of box instead of just following the propaganda … by writing this kind of stuff you are serving better for CIA than the victims of this post. I will repeat what Usman said “just work for the democracy, independent judiciary and saving our constitution”. God bless us in such a scary time and keep us united

• 11 Raja Nusrat Ali // Jan 15, 2008 at 12:39 am

  Most comments are based on hearsay sectarion malice. Jamaat e islami is playing very positive role in the politics of our country. It supports democracy and its struggle is to islamise the Pakistan. It is not something strange for the people of Pakistan. To set up an islamic society in pakistan was the dream of Dr Muhammad Iqbal, a great thinker of islam and our national poet. No political party in Pakistan except Jamaat e Islami is making efforts to uphold islamic ideology. It has very comprehensive programme. All its workers are very very ideological. Jamaat MNAs and MPAs have never changed parties and have followed Jamaat,s policy. Jamaat,s leadership encourages and welcomes positive criticism but it should not be a fire in the air for nothing. There is complete democracy in the Jamaat,s ranks and there is accountability for every one right from Ameer e Jamaat to a worker. Jamaat,s policies are very clear. By the grace of God Jamaat has very strongly opposed military rule and pro America policies of Musharaf, also always pleaded for true democracy. No internal and external agency has raised finger on jamaat e islami with respect to talibans and suicide bombing. However Jamaat, like most Pakistanis, opposes Musharraf,s military actions in the name of fighting terrorism. It stands for political solution. I request the critics of Jamaat to first know it well then you are rightful to criticize.

• 12 Sufi // Jan 15, 2008 at 4:52 pm

  I am neither a supporter of MQM nor against of any orgnization. I am against of thugs,fanatics,extremists and hypocrites who use violence and religion for their vested interests. I would never accuse those called the founder of Pakistan Kafir Azam-who fought US jihad in Afghanistan-who supported fanatic Zia-who use religion a tool to redicalize the society. Who calls shot against US but send their sons to the US. Who drink Pepsi and accuse Jewish. This a naked hypocricy.
  What kind of message JI wants to deliever to the massess? There Danda Force has terrorised the whole institution in Pakistan. They have insatiable appatite for violence and destruction. They,in the time of crisis abused Imran Khan and handed over him to the General. We must say no to these elements who send our youth for fake Jihad,but their sons to US for higher studies. There is doubt that any orgnization who uses religion as a tool to do business is hypocrite. Religion teaches ethics and moral values not Al-shams and Al-badar to kill Bangalis. Those call shots against Isreal and US never bothered to fight side by side with Hamas and Al-Fatah.
  These so called religious orgnizations have never talked about the Vini,marriage with Quran and unislamic practices. They have never talked about of Feudal system nor feudal atrocities.
  They have never challaged the forces of evil within. Jihad is a sacred pillar of on of five pillars of Islam. These elements have abused Jihad for dollars to please Jiwish lobby and Neo.Cons. My point is very clear:do not use religion as a tool to destroy the image of Islam and Muslim. We Muslims are facing numerous challages accross the globe. The soft image of Islam is very importent to project. Not that the Jamat projects.
  We must negate these elements once and for all.
  Pakistan need a pluralistic order to come out of this crisis-new social contract is the need of time.It should be based on equality and fraternity. A society where ethics and moral values must be given top priority. We did talk alot about jihad,but crucial time of jihad has come-jihad against injustice,poverty,illitracy,hypocricy, religious extremism,fanaticism,Muhallism, reducalsim and generalsim. God save us from the scourge of Zias,Musharrafs and those use religion as tool for their vested interests.

• 13 Sufi // Jan 15, 2008 at 5:06 pm

  I would accuse those who called the founder of Pakistan Kafir Azam and established Al-Shams and Al-badar to kill the innocent Bengali muslim. This is a kind of extremism fatalism to kill fellow muslims and send other sons to fight the BSF,but collect dollars from the US. I would accuse those who fought Jewish Jihad in Afghanistan in the name of Islam. It is because of that Jihad who are facing the dilemma of suicide bombing,drugs,religious extremism and the flow of hatred. I would accuse those who terrorise the innocent students and create state within state. Today we are at war with GENERALS and other monsters,but we must identity those who abused the great Imran Khan under a secret deal with the intellegence agencies in Punjab University. We must identify enemy within if restoration of Judiciary and rule of law is our top priority. Beware hypocrites guys.

• 14 Saqib // Jan 15, 2008 at 5:58 pm

  Bakwas! Your post smells of MQM. They’re so blindly after JI and PTI, that they blame everything on them. The fact is that jihadism and Taliban were created by Uncle Sam and the (not so) Pak Army. We fought the proxy war. If JI was sending people and money to Afghanistan or Kashmir, they were doing so due to the indications and support of the military (which is synonymous to govt of Pakistan). JI dont score any points in my book, but I would certainly not agree with holding them responsible for this. The suicide bombings only benefit the Pak/US government by helping them prove the reality of the so-called threat. A look at PTV (ISPR-TV) news clearly shows how hard they are trying to drive home this point, trying to justify a war we shouldnt be fighting.
  The Northern areas that were a fort for Pakistan, where we never needed military, a large portion of our forces are now deputed while other borders sit vulnerable. No military ever managed to accomplish anything in these territories. Decision makers (mush and bush) should’ve thought of that. This is all bull crap that they’re shoving down our throats while oil prices hit the sky, products emerging from bumper crops run short in our country, natural gas is short, power is short and all this while, our most important threat is “terrorism.” If it is a threat, they created it themselves. Now they’re blaming the shortage of flour and oil products on the post-assassination riots. Give me a break! They’re hiding the black sheep that we so desparately need to get rid of right away.

• 15 Usman // Jan 15, 2008 at 6:01 pm

  Sufi i dont have any objection with your point of view. But still the solution is the same…
  Complete democracy with independent judiciary. Once its there every injury will heal out. By the way only one big party Supported Mr. Imran on Boycott and that was JI. Imran khan is my hero and the best thing about him is he never alleged JI on his arrest issue, though every one knows the reality. Thats why we all love him, he never accuse any one just to keep every one united.

  I feel its time to stand fellows… If not now then never…. Lets come out on streets… and if these fanatics, generals are once uprooted by civil society they can never think of harming PAKISTAN.. but may be all we can do is think of better PAKISTAN..without any action

• 16 Sufi // Jan 15, 2008 at 6:11 pm

  Guys I would I support MQM who stoped my hero the real Chief Justice of Pakistan IFTIKHAR MUHAMMAD CHAUDHRY? Since I believe in rule of law.

• 17 Sufi // Jan 15, 2008 at 6:13 pm

  I partially agee with USMAN.

• 18 S.A.Kazmi // Jan 16, 2008 at 12:47 am

  I am now nearly sixty years of age , all my life i have been reading 3/4 newpapers daily right from my childhood. I have been taking keen interest in political happenings throughout.I am sorry to say , its my considered opinion, formed over the years , that JIs role has never been positive in the poltics in the country. If you have read the news papers of 14th jan 2008 , you must have come to know about the links Gen Zia-ul-Haq had with the Israelies .The time will one day bringout the links of other people with CIA and the jews etc.Iam no one to accuse JI of supporting the terrorists unless i can prove it. But i have all the right to suspect anyone doing this on the grounds of their activities , their statements , their past record etc. WHY I SAY WHY dont the religious leaders in general, and JI leaders in particular , come on media and try to communicate to those who are behind the suicide bombings in the country and tell them that this is not the way to fight americans . The killing of own muslim /innocent brothers does not serve your cause , so please stop it.If we are against the Govts policy , it does not mean we start destroying our country like this. WHY dont they ever try to educate our militant eliments like this.Every time there is a suicide bombing , The JI leadrs AND people like Hameed GUL make statements saying ” all this is bcause of Musharafs policies” . Do they mean that if Musharaf has PRO-AMERICA policy , the right way to work for end to this policy is to have more suicide bombings , kill more innocent people in the country , destroy more national assets , creat more unrest in the country????Do all those friends ,who are trying to convince me or other critics of JI, think that , the reaction to suicide attacks by JI leaders and by likes of Hameed Gul etc is the right thing to do .Remember , neither you are enemies of Pakistan , nor am I , we all wish well being of our beloved homeland .But we all must think about and critically analyse the doings of our political leaders and where feel neccesary , must criticise them , so that they know , people are watching them , they are being assessed by their deeds. Its not only Govt needs to be criticised , even the opposition leaders , when they play negative politics must be taken to task.
  When i say oppositions negative role , just recollect the role , under the patronage of Hameed Guls ISI , played by IJI in the countrys politics during 1988 general elections.The aftermath of THE ROLE PLAYED by Generals like ZIA , Aslam BeG , Hameed Gul etc in our history has been extremely damaging for the country and the society.They have completely destroyed our political fiber. WE FIND NO LEADER NOW. I CAN ONLY PRAY TO GODALMIGHTY TO HELP THE POOR NATION.

• 19 Raza Hasan // Jan 17, 2008 at 1:25 am

  Bhai Sufi aur Kazmi sahib, bohat ma’zrat kay sath kay Pakistan aur Jamat Islami kay baray mein aap log westren propegenda ka shikar nazar aatay hein. Agar Jamat Islami terrorist party hay to Musharaf aur uss kay allies ko pehli fursat main iss kay khilaf tamam proofs qaum kay samnay la kar iss tanzeem par pabandi lagani chaheyeh thee aur Qazi Husain ko arrest kar kar kay muqaddma chalna chahyeh tha. Magar aisa nahi howa kyoon yeh ilzamaat sirf propegend he hein. Maulana Maududi pay jis tarha yahan keechar uchala gaya hay wo kabil-e-afsoos hay, kyoon Kay inhe Madudi sahib ke likhi hoi books aaj Int Islamic Uni Islamabad,Tehran Uni Iran, Madina Uni Saudia aur Al Azhar Uni Qahira mein parahi jati hein.Maudodi sahib ke likhi hoi Tafhem Ul Quran aaj bhe loog bohat zauq say parhtay hein.Maududi Sahib Pakistan ke pehli personality hein jinehin Islamic world ka Nobel Prize yani Shah Faisal Award say nawaza gaya unn ke khidmaat kay badlay mein.
  Main Jamat ka karkun nahi na Qazi meray Uncle lagtay hein, bas sirf itna kahon ga kay pleas Jamat dushmani mein itna agay na nikal jain kay Qayamat kay din aap iss jhootay propegenday ke waja say pakray jain.
  Ab aain JIHADIES ke taraf, no doubt kay 1979 main jab Rusia Afghanistan main enter howa to tamam dunya kay dardmand muslims iss region mein jama howay aur Rusia kay khilaf aisi bharpoor resistence ke kay ussay wapis jana para.Inn JIHADIES ke back par hamari brave Pakistan army aur Gen.Hameed Gul sahib jaisy Muhib-e-Watan loog thay.Yeh loog hamaray Hero hein inehin iss tarha ruswa matt karian. Rahi baat suicide bombers ke to har sakhs nay included JI & Hameed Gul Sahib issay condemned kar chukay hein.koi muslim Innocents ko marnay ka soch bhe nahi sakta.Mushraf Govt 8 years say iss qaum par musallat hay yeh kiyoon nahi in Sucide bombers ko pakartay aur investigate kartay kay inn ke back par kon loog involve hein.Asal mein jo loog Dr.Qadeer Kahan aur hamaray heroes ko badnaam kar rahay hain yehi asal mein America aur Israil kay agents ka kirdar ada kar rahay hein. ALLAH ham sab ko hidayat ata karay. Aameen.

• 20 Zeeshan Ali Rana // Jan 17, 2008 at 1:44 am

  Very right Raza hasan… JI bechari k pas itnay resources kahan k woh suicide bombers ko train ker sakein… still ppl who believe JI is a party of suicide bombers, check http://zeeshanr.blogspot.com/2008/01/destabilization-of-pakistan.html
  and findout urself tht who’s responsible for all the recent happenings… and those of u who have a head, i plea, i beg plz use it… sufi yeh link wala article poora perhna hai n then think k aapnay kia likha, aapka kia knowledge tha n aap propaganda ka shikaar banay ya nahi :)…but yeh sab honestly kerna hai since u believe (n we trust) tht u r not a hypocrite thts y u r fighting against the hypocrites …

• 21 Usman // Jan 17, 2008 at 10:42 am

  Some says JI is funded by Americans, contrary some say they are extremist… Who are they??
  Are they Taliban backed by Americans???
  My answer would be definately NO!. They are a group of strict people who learns from their mistakes and adheres to the principles. We all know if they have fought election, they could have easily got 20-25 seats… but they boycotted on the principles ground.
  And Madudi sahab contribution to Islam is in front of every one. Though i never voted for Jamat but i always appreciate their social work. I have seen there workers doing utmost in the relief programmes of earth quake, distributing meat in poor areas on Eid-ul-Azha. Mr sufi your topic is just spreading Anarachy in the peoples. This is not the right time to do an act like this. I also request admin to remove this topic. We should do more concrete work, instead of doing the blame game in which we are expert from last 60 years

• 22 Sufi // Jan 17, 2008 at 4:25 pm

  Mr Usman is still defending the hypocrites who cheat the people in the name Islam. The outdated conception the JI is the main source of anachy and hatred. JI is following the foot steps of a fanatic king Aurangzeb who cheated on his brothers and ruled the sub-continet for almost half a century. He used and abused Islam for his own interest untill is death. That legacy was adopted by the fanatic ZIA at the behast of Regan Administrtion to spread anachy and religious extremism. look at the histror;I repeat, JI was the party who entitled Jinnah Kafir Azam and opposed the creation of Pakistan. Am I spreading anachy or unmasking the releaties?
  From where Shaikh Khalid Muhammad was and other Al-Qaeeda terrorists were apprehended by the agencies? From the houses of JI leaders. Though I know the fact that Qaeeda too has been created by the CIA.

  JI must do business,but should not use Islam and Muslim. If they have the spirit to fight against the Kafirs they should join hands with Islamic Jihad and Hammas immidiatly. The Zionists are killing the innocent muslims,but the JI is only calling shots. Since they call themselves the champion of Islamic cause they should fight against Zionists. They whole history of JI is filled with hypocricy and treachery. It was JI and the Danda Bardar force who cheated the great Imaran Khan. Imran Khan is our national assest he too must take great care of the Hypocrite Muhallahs and CIA agents. God save us from the wrath of Muhallahs,hyopcrites,extremists,fanatics and the follower of Aurangzeb,Zia-ul-Haq and those built Masjid Zarar. Say no to hypocrites……

• 23 Sufi // Jan 17, 2008 at 4:42 pm

  Moudodi wasted his whole life lamenting others. He never asked the muslims to acquire the knowledge of Science nor he appreciated the golden era of the Islamic renaissance of Farabi,Tusi and other stalwarts. Instead he stressed on lamanting Kafirs and jews. He never raised money to built Cambridge or Harvard like universities to face the fast changing. He never asked the muslims to adopt the conception of Ijtihad or embrace blessings of science. He did his best to dissest FIQA,but refused to acknowledge the true spirit of Islam. He never talked about pluralism,ethics,morality,generosity,brotherhood,rule of law,tolerance. Had there been such messages there would not have been extremism,fanaticism,redicalism and suicide bombing. He did’t ask the muslims to follow the teaching of the great Sir Syed,Iqbal andJinnah. Instead he called the founder of Pakistan Kafir Azam,who fought the case of the Muslims of the sub-continent.

  He was not a reformer but a man who blocked the conception of Ijtihad and change. He asked the people to stand against the Jews and US,but died at hospital in New York .Its a kind of extreme hypocricy and fatalism.

• 24 Sufi // Jan 17, 2008 at 5:32 pm

  JI is a party of suicide bombers, check http://zeeshanr.blogspot.com/2008/01/destabilization-of-pakistan.html
  This article has long been read by me. I still believe that a new social conract order,if we adopt we would be able to thawart such gruesome plots of the imerialists. The message is very clear! We should go for scientific revolution-build institutions based on war footings. We must cut the defence budget and increase eductional budget. We must build modern universities like HEJ,LUMS and fast where everyone should have an access to acquire scienticific education. We should reform the madrassahs to educate the the Talibs science,ethics,geography and other importent subjects.
  Today,though we have a single Abdul Qadir khan (under house arrest) thousands of Qadeer Khan’s we must have to check the evil designs of Zianists. Our hero is under house arrest,while the userpers and hypocrites are roaming freely.
  We must restructured Maddrassahs to shun the conceptoion of Jihadism,extremism and Mulahhalism.
  JI has never talked about the madrassa reform nor presented any idea to change the curriculam.
  They do have enough time to take on useless issues of inclusion of the religion in Pakistani passport. They do have time to play with the emotions of the innocents in the name of religion. They do have the time to destroy the property of the muslims in the name of protest against the caricatures of the Danish Cartonist. It is to be noted that only in lahore 20 billion was lost to the government exchequare.
  JI did’nt ask her DANDA FORCE to punish the Denish Cartoonist nor send any suicide squade to eliminate him. Instead DANDA FORCE was ask to carry out violent protest accross the county of register the message. What kind of message they delievered to the world? I thik they proved that they are inherently violent and intolerent. They showed to the world that religion teaches us to plunder and destroy the property of the fellow muslims.
  What a service they rendered to Islam and Muslims and pleased the Great Holy Prophet (PBUH). pathatic.
  JI always in stand by position never hesitated to exploint the burning issues of religion whether the issue of Women protection bill,Passport issues and other issues. They do have a great experience of hatching conspiracies,cheating and ploting. I remember the day when former PM Nawaz Sharif attempted to come;he was assured of full protocol,but when the time came. All JI leaders and JUI-F leaders surrendered themselves to the authorities (fake arrest). Nawz was assured that millions would greet him at the airport,but he faced instead the furious commandos of Musharraf. Only the great Imran Khan managed to reach the airport. What else I write friends……

• 25 Sufi // Jan 17, 2008 at 5:39 pm

  Do you think is it western propaganda? I urge the all my friends to go in depth and dissect the history.

• 26 Zeeshan Ali Rana // Jan 17, 2008 at 6:46 pm

  Mr. Sufi,

  You have failed to come up with a concrete proof and give a single reference supporting ur claims during this whole sequence of ur crap posts… Mr. ‘NOT Hypocrite’, please help us dissect the history. Provide us the references. Provide the exact thing which we can refer to immediately. I’ll be grateful if you do not yell again without a solid proof. Peace please. Your policy has been: “I am the only educated, literate n aware guy, and it gives me the right to blame others without any proof. It further gives me right to consider others inferior in knowledge.”…

  I regret being part of this thread :(

• 27 Sufi // Jan 17, 2008 at 7:19 pm

  Read history facts and events thoroughly please before counter attack. Like every informed person I have the right to filter things happening around me. I have no doubt in my mind about my stand. Do you have proof of your argument?

• 28 S.A.Kazmi // Jan 17, 2008 at 8:35 pm

  Mr Raza Hassan , please read my above comment again , i have never said that JI is terrorist org , i only blame them for not openly criticising the terrorist acts by those who are doing it.I have only given my opinion formulated after years of observations on the political behaviour of JI and people like Hameed Gul. I know how much of HEROS they are. Here i differ with you when you think that Hameed Guls role in Afghan war makes him our national hero. War in Afghanistan was arranged by CIA and we became their tool to get USSR disintegrated. The Soviets INVASION , TO MY opinion was plotted and masterminded by CIA to get their goals.The Ameer-ul-momeen of Pakistan, GEN ZIA was playing in the hands of Jews/Americans . I am sorry i cannot due to my time limitation explain every thing i know about their Afghan Jihad. But i will request you to kindly carryout more research on this subject, may be you find something more about it.

• 29 oal // Jan 18, 2008 at 12:29 am

  There is no end to speculation (or suspicion); there is a finality to truth.

  However, there are differences between considerations of the divine and observations having to do separately with men.

  Different parts of the heart and mind apply.

• 30 Saqib // Jan 18, 2008 at 7:36 pm

  I guess they have paid heed to suggestions in this thread. JI urges Taliban to give up violence. Are you happy now?

• 31 Mortein // Jan 18, 2008 at 8:59 pm

  Yaar i cant understand this guy ‘Non-Hypocrite’, so stupid to repeat the same thing throughout the thread. Idiot doesn’t even know that Jihad is not one of the Five Basic ‘Arkaan’ of Islam, and still he keeps on talking about Jihad and Islam. Some people are more eager to teach others History and doesn’t even know that it was not Hamid Gul who drafted ‘Afghan War’ Strategy nor he was the Head of ISI since the beginning of ‘Afghan War’ … Bechara became DG ISI in 1987. Now, can any of the scholars who are posting continuous crap, try to think and answer that how he can be accountable for the Pakistan’s strategy on ‘Afghan War’ ??? Also remember that it was not the strategy designed by JI or Hamid Gul instead it was the strategy of this unfortunate country which was more necessary (at that time) than the current bull-shit ‘War on Terror’. It was the war of Pakistan’s survival. Why dont you ‘Historians’, ‘Scholars’, ‘Analytics’ and ‘Non-Hypocrites’ throw a suggestion to avoid that WAR ??? Do you have some alternate that could have been applicable at that time ? One ‘Analyst’ here also said that CIA dragged USSR into Afghan to fulfill their agenda. If we accept this proposition then how it could have possible for Pakistan (as a country) or any God damned DG ISI (suppose Hamid Gul) to be more smart than the Russian KGB ? If KGB was deceived by CIA then, so did ISI. That was was not only the ‘CIA’ war but also Pakistan’s War and keeping in mind that it was not possible for Pakistan to engage USSR (and his allie India) into direct war … that proxy war was only possible solution for Pakistan. CIA supported it for its benefits and we fought it for our benefits. The aftermath of that war (drugs, weapons etc.) are really horrible and we can discuss on the possibilities that could have been applied to avoid the horrible results after that war. But it is not wise to blame one individual for that war.

  Now lets talk about some of the ‘argument’ that are being provided us to think in the same way as some Non-Hypocrite’/'Analyst’/'Historian’ does. First of all no argument was produced here ever, lets be very clear about it. All the stuff could only be personal opinion/wishes but cannot be considered as ‘Arguments’ which are necessary for any debate/discussion. This is not an argument that someone didn’t condemned suicide bombing (openly or closely) means that he/she either supports suicide bombing or encourages it. If somebody knows ‘Logic’ (now for God sake dont say that Logic is not Islamic way, Imam Ghazali was the founder of this knowledge and it is heavily used in drawing FIQAH) then he/she wont ever say that, because logically this is not correct to imply such a conclusion. Lets clear it with some examples … If Dr. Israr did not condemned suicide bombing then it doesn’t mean that he like or endorse it. OR if Haji Abdul Wahab (Ameer of Tableeghi Jamaat) never issued a statement against suicide bombers then this means he or the Tableeghi people is/are either suicide bombers or support/like/endorse them. One more ‘argument’ (again that was not an argument at all) that is provided here repeatedly is ‘If Qazi is not hit by suicide bombers then this means that he is backing them.’ It would be ridiculous to conclude like that because if being hit by a suicide bombers is the only way to proof themselves then it would be hard to proof for Imran Khan or any XYZ. By the way no suicide bomber ever hit any Tableeghi or Dr. Israr or Dr. Zakir Naik or Mufti Taqi Usmani or Mufti Muneeb etc (list is very long), so can we conclude that all of them are either suicide bombers or they back them ???

  Mr. Historian also kept on talking about Imran Khan but he does not have clue about him. Why dont he open his eyes and see the collaboration between Imran Khan and Qazi ??? Both are agree at the same agenda and by the way Imran Khan never hold Qazi responsible for PU incident. So should you …

  I cannot stop myself to comment on the argument that “Maududi did not raised funds to built Harvard/Stanford like universities … blah blah blah” … I must say whatta genius you are !!! So who else raised funds to built universities like Harvard/Stanford ? I am sure you dont know exactly about who raised and who did not ??? But you came up with the amazing idea to blame Maududi at this basis … Whatta boy !!! Let me tell you that except Imran Khan no one yet built an institute/university, will you also conclude about them in the same manner like you did in Maududi’s case ???

  Please stop ‘ending up’ on such crap conclusions … if you have something really reasonable/logical/factual then do post it here. No one dislikes a discussion but it must be based on ‘Arguments’ not just craps.

  DISCLAIMER: I am just a student, i am the member of JI, i dont like Maududi (laikin usski kuchh aur waja hogi, phir bhi mein uss pe iss tarha keechar nahin uchhaloon ga), i might be considered close to PTI cuz i like/support their policy/agenda/vision but i am not registered with them.

• 32 Mortein // Jan 18, 2008 at 9:20 pm

  Correction: There is a TYPO in the above DISCLAIMER, i am NOT the member of JI.

  ‘NOT’ is missing … :)

• 33 junyDada // Jan 18, 2008 at 9:36 pm

  I’m doing PhD from LUMS, the “scientific” and “cultured” institute which this blogger is talking about in his comments. Before that I was in FAST, another “amazing” institute mentioned in his text.

  And after all the liberal (non-madarrassah) years of my education, I say Jihad is what separates us muslims from the rest of the philosophies of this world. Don’t pick and choose from the Quran, things which suit your temperament (Quran 2:85): “…Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.”

  I know science and philosophy is the order of the day, but we won’t get anywhere with the negative attitude you have. The first revolution of Islam took place within the premises of Jihad, so shall the next revolution. The answer lies in finding the right balance between Scientific prowess and Jihad.

  So there you go my friend, a person from LUMS + FAST says Jihad is a part of Islam, and a part of the solution. What do you do now? Kindly stop being defensive, cuz you only end up bullshitting more in your comments. Pray from God that we are not amongst the ‘munaafiqoon’!!

• 34 RAZA HASAN // Jan 19, 2008 at 5:11 pm

  Mujhay Khushi hay kay yahan iss forum par Mr.Sufi kay narrow minded ideas ka daleel kay sath jawab diya gaya hay. Kuch nigari’shat meri bhe hein.
  sab say pehlay yeh zehan nasheen kar lein kay Maulana Sayed Abul Aala Maududi nay kabhi Quaid-e-Azam ko kafir-e-Azam nahi kaha,yeh ilzam sirf jhoot aur bohtan par mabni hay koi saboot hay to samnay laya jai.
  Jamat-e-Islami Pakistan ke sab say organise party hay jis mein har 5 years kay baad through election new leadership ka intikhab from Top to Bottom kiya jata hay. Iss mein iss tarha ka koi concept nahi hay kay party leader kay marnay kay baad iss ka beta ya beti party ko lead karay na he iss ka koi lifetime Quaid hay like MQM ka Altaf Husain.
  Jamat-e-Islami mein 90% educated loog hein,iss ka tanzeemi nizam kuch iss tarha ka hay kay specific syllabus compelete karnay kay baad he koi iss ka Rukan ban sakta hay yehi wajah hay kay pooray 60 years mein yeh Jamat kabhi awami Party nahi ban saki jaisa kay PPP hay.
  Jamat ka pubilc welfare ka network bohatt strong hay, iss jamat kay jaga jaga Clinics,Hospitals, schools,madarsas,liabraries aur welfare societies hein.2006 say kay Earth Quak mein iss kay falahi kaam kisi say dhakay chupay nahi hein.
  Rahi baat Al Badar aur Al Shams ke, yad rahay ke Jamat kay Under yeh organisations East Pakistan mein Pakistam Army ko support karnay kay liyhe banai gain thein jo India ke banai hoi Mukti Baheni force kay against fight kar rahi thein na kay wahan kay muqami Bangalies kay khilaaf magar jab 16 December 1971 ko Pak Army nay paltan ground mein surrender kiya to Becharay inhein Al Badar aur Al Sahams kay razakaroon ko chun chun kay qatal kiya gaya.Kisi ko detail maloom karni hay tu read karain “Mein Nay Dhaka Doobtay Dekha” by Brigd. Siddique Salik.
  During Afghan war agar Jamat kay razakar wahan ja kar Afghan Mujahideen kay sath mil kar nahi lartay to aaj Russia pooray Pakistan par Rule kar raha hota neez yeh ilzam kay Afghan Jehad American CIA ka plan kiya howa tha bilkul ghalat hay, America to bohatt baad mein iss war mein kooda tha jab uss nay yeh dekh liya tha kay Mujahideen apnay kam sources kay ba’wajood kamyabiyan hasil kar rahay hein iss leyhe uss nay Afghan Groups main emonation bantna shroo kar diya & after that Russia ko jab shikast hoi to issi America nay Afghaniyoon ko apas mein larwa diya takay wahan koi mazboot hukomat na ban sakay.
  Kazmi Sahib, khuda kay liyeh Pakistan kay Dost aur Dushmano ko pehchanyeh.JI nay iss mulk kay lieyeh bohatt qurbaniyan dein hein.Iss ke leadership aur workers bohatt mamooli zindagi guzarnay walay loog hein, yeh koi waderay jageerdar sarmayadar nahi hein jo sazishein kar kay iqtidar par qabza karain… aap ko maloom hay Pakistan mein koi bhe hakoomat America ke marzi say nahi bana karti,Agar Jamat-e-Islami America ke parwarda hoti tu 60 years mein iss ke bhe doo chaar hakoomatian to aa he jatein.
  Regards

• 35 Raja Nusrat Ali // Jan 21, 2008 at 12:02 am

  No agency in Pakistan and outside Pakistan has ever pointed to JI for any terrorist activity. So much so that Jamaat,s offshoot Hazbul Mujahideen has not been banned whereas all other Jihadi organizations have long been declared outlawed. Even after 9/11 nothing has been detected against Jamaat but amazingly some are suffering from Jamaat,s phobia out of nothing. Jamaat,s policy is very open. Jamaat follows a prescribed policy which is formulated after thorough consideration in the Shoora. Unfortunately Jamaat is opposed on two fronts , one is political and other is sectarion. Political opposition can be countered and neutralized but sectarion aspect is difficult to overcome. Syed Moudoodi,s perception of Islam has been some what different from the prevalent two school of thoughts in Sub-Continent as regards islam as a code of life. He urged the Muslims to practise in toto and follow Quran and hadith. In fact he endeavoured to reform the society by eliminating sectarion division in the muslim society which has long been detrimental to muslims, cause.This was not acceptable to Molanas of both major school of thought for their own reasons. I think Sufi is the one of the followers of those Molanas. Syed Modoodi,s vision of Islam a muslim is quite close to Allama Iqbal. The difference is that he was Molana. He does not urge jamaatis, to follow his ideas on islam but Quran and hadith. Sufi is nursing a grudge against Syed Modoodi and Jamaat e Islami for nothing. I request Sufi to study Molana Modoodi to criticize him rationally. There is no hypocricy worth the name in Jamaat.

• 36 Sufi // Jan 21, 2008 at 5:40 pm

  If JI is the B team of the agency and collaborator of the CIA who whould say terrorists? By the way I urge the defendents to look into the facts since the inception of the hypocrites. Those who are adamant to defend the terrorits must not forget that the JI chief still faces visa problems whenever he embarks on Europe. Norway and other Scandinavian countries questions his close links with the suicide bombers.
  Who negates Jihad or deviate from jihad. I think jihad means struggle for a just cause no to lemant JEWS and US-and send the son to America.
  The founder of the terrorist orgnization lamanted and lashed out at the US,but died at the soil of the US.
  I would definitely repeat the facts and figures to prove what JI stands for. This orgnization is a bunch of Munafiqeens-hypocrites-inherently believe in violence. The whole nations knows-the whole world knows. Do not compare Ghazali with Mouddudi. Ghazali never lamanted jews nor issued fatwas for political gains. Ghazali never projected himself a pioneer of philiosophy nor he acclaimed to be champion of Jihad. Mouddudi a man of no vision,a hypocrite-a harsh critic of imperialists has no match with the great theologian of Islam.
  Jihad means a struggle for a just cause not to send the poor youth to fight against the fellow muslims at the behest of the CIA or Saudi Arabia. Had there been Jihad in Afghanistan there would have not been drugs,Klashankov,suicede bombing,religious mafias,danada force of Jamiat accross the country and hatred ware house from karachi to Khajrab. CIA achitected proxy war has nothing to do with jihad.It can be termed the US and JI jihad to kill muslims in the name of Islam.
  An individual or a group of thugs who have hijacked Islam have no right ot declare jihad at the behest of Israel and CIA. A state has the right to decale jihad-has an authority to defend the courtry from external aggression. Zia,CIA and JI had no right to use the sacred name of Islam and jihad one of the five pillars of Islam.

• 37 Sufi // Jan 21, 2008 at 6:00 pm

  Iqbal termed the Muhallas ” Fisabilliah alfasad”. So anyone who use religion for political gains is fasdi in the eyes of the greatest poet of the world. Jamat must read carefully the philosophy of Iqbal.

• 38 Junoon // Jan 21, 2008 at 6:06 pm

  After reading this whole thread, i come to the conclusion that “this guy SUFI is an IDIOT”.

  I think he never read any of the replies. He just picked the name Ghazali from one of the above comments and started writing his shit. Cant he see the context. I must say that he is the only Genius out there. Well done boy, you rock !!!

  First read the above comments and then write anything else … now onward i hope no more shit from you. Thank you very much for your intellectuality and analysis and facts and figures.

• 39 Qibla // Jan 21, 2008 at 6:10 pm

  this pathetic guy is asking some people to read HISTORY, some to read PHILOSOPHY OF IQBAL, telling his stupid FACTS … but what he is missing is he himself need to read all these. And before going to read anything, start from the above comments.

  ALLAH hum sab ko sochne samajhne ki hidayat de

• 40 Zeeshan Ali Rana // Jan 21, 2008 at 7:28 pm

  I guess we all shld stop respondin to this post… the discussions are going no where……

• 41 Mortein // Jan 21, 2008 at 7:40 pm

  First of all this is not a discussion, is it ? Discussions must be based on strong ‘arguments’, whereas in this case a mentally retarded person is yelling the same baseless shit without any clue about what he is talking.

  God helps us from such self proclaimed scholars who dont even know that Jihad is not among the five ‘ARAKANS’ of Islam. I corrected him earlier but since he never read others’ replies so he missed it and wrote it again.

  Zeeshan u r right, we should stop, it is useless

• 42 Usman // Jan 23, 2008 at 2:33 pm

  [b]I also agree with zeeshan and mortein.[/b]

  We should discuss how to restore judiciary and preavil law and order in this country. How to bring this country back on Democracy ….. I will really appreciate if Mr. Sufi put his energy on this topic, which can guide others, rather wasting his and our time…

• 43 Sufi // Jan 23, 2008 at 4:44 pm

  All right guys I am not going to bring the ” CHARLIE WILSON’S WAR” infront. My own prime aim to restore justice and judiciary to pre november 3 period. There is no doubt in my mind about this burning and importent issue the nation is facing. Had there been pre november 3 judgues there would have not been uncertainity,chaos,flour crisis and suicide bombing. We all are united at this juncutre to join hands with the lawayers and civil society.
  But let it be very clear that extremism,mohallahism,fanaticism, Talibanism,Ziaism and hypocritsm in the name of religion is also a great threat to the nation and the national international interest.
  We must,and should raise our voice against GENERALS’s rule in the country-the main source of choas and religious extremism and Talibanism. Yes we must honestly admit that without justice we can not sustian and survive as a nation.
  We must join hands to support the real heroes-prisnor of conscious Iftikahr Muhammad Chaudhry-pride of nation together with his brave lawyers Ahtizaz Ahsan,Munir A.Malik,Justice (r) Tariq Mehmood and Ali Ahmed kurd. The nation needs judges today to thawart the consipracies hatched by the usurpers to wipe this country out of world’s map. We are united and we must be…
  God save us from the clutches of Generals and Muhallahs.

• 44 Raja Nusrat Ali // Jan 23, 2008 at 11:48 pm

  I agree with Mrtein,s conclusion. In fact Mr Sufi is not logical in his comments. It seems that he has some bitter experience with respect to JI. JI chief has never been denied visa and never have been hindered. Mr Sufi must have interacted with jamiat due to his views and some unforgetable might have happened. He is also imbued with Musharaf,s version of enlightenment. For Sufi,s information JI is not liked by the real Mullas. There is no mulla in JI. To Dr. Iqbal politics can not be separated from din in Islam. I think Sufi neither has thorough touch of Iqbal,s thoughts nor he knows much about Jamaat. God bless Sufi.

• 45 Sufi // Jan 24, 2008 at 2:22 pm

  I urge my collagues not intermingle the philosophy with JI’s thugism please. We all know that Iqbal was against of theocracy quite uncompatible with what JI demostrates. Iqbal struggled to restore the image of muslims and the whole ummah in general. He demanded a separate homeland of the muslims of the sub-continent. He was the right hand of the founder of Pakistan whome JI entitled Kafir Azam. Also JI opposed the creation of Pakistan. I have no personal grudge with any orgnization,but let it be very clear again that business at the expense of Islam is counter productive to the nation. Theocracy,a venom to the nation the JI projects. Using religion as a tool the sujugate others is against the spirit of Islam. Islam, a religion of peace and traquality has been distorted by adventurous Muhallahs of JI and other so called jihadis.
  So lets say no to religious thugims,Dandaism,reductionism and terrorism. If we stand such tendencies breeded by the so called Jihadis we would be able to restore the image of Pakistan abroad. If we stick to politicise the caricature to destroy our own asset the world would undoubtedly call us a failed state filled with terrorists.
  Lastly thugism of the Jihadis would bring only bad repute to the JI. The should carefully draft a plan to expell the Mir Jaffars within,restructure the orgnization with the irrevocabally change time. The order of the day is diffent in the gobal scenario. JI if wants to have an influence in the massess they should bring a new social contract theory of pluralism based on social justice,tolerance,respect of minorities,shun extremism,thugism and dandaism. Only calling shots at jews would never halt the misries of the Palestinians. Image building is the prerequisite for JI to mobilise the massess.
  A dictator can not promote moderation nor tolerance. How could support a usurper who has make the whole nation hostage and put the judges under house arrest. Moderation under a dictator is farce and absurd.

• 46 M. Usman ul haq // Feb 15, 2008 at 4:06 pm

  As-salam o elikum,

  Mr. Usman said some thing about the social work from JI during the Earth Quake and it was “Though i never voted for Jamat but i always appreciate their social work. I have seen there workers doing utmost in the relief programmes of earth quake, distributing meat in poor areas on Eid-ul-Azha.”

  What i personally experienced on the night of 10th oct was enough for me to say what the hell these ppl are and what they are trying to do with the equipment and aid pakistanis and other world has sent to us????. We(few of the friends) were going to Kashmir and we had to stop in a factory at Mansehra area because of rain and hail storm. This was the same place JI’s SOCIAL WORKERS were taking refuge from the storm. They has some sophisticated and expensive mobile hospital machines and equipment with the other stuff and think what they did with that expensive stuff that was sent by some good ppl to help the people those were in need :-) they threw all that equipment under the open skies to get wet and to be destroyed by the storm.

  Jin logon ne apni aankho se daikha ho un ko kia jawab dain gaay aap loog jo is jamaat ko support kar rahay hain. Ikhabarat, jaraid aur rasail yea kia saboot hain :-) sab paisay ki game hai brothers, you can buy a whole magazine to get your self praised and show you the most fantistic person on the earth.

  Asal chehra Sufi ne oper define kiya hai agar waqae dimagh aur aankhain kholian aur ird gird daikhain to aap jan lain gaay ke jihad ke naam par kitnay he naujawan dimaghon ko kharab kar ke Afghanistan aur us ke baat baad Kashimir mein ladrwaya geya aur un ke shaheed honay ki khabar bhi maheenon ke baad un ke gharon mein pohanchai gaye. Agar yea jihad itna hi azeem or aala tha to phir Qazi sahib ne apni aulad ko keon nahe bhaija ladrnay ko??? Any answers?? NO, coz Qazi sahib ka baita to accounts ki taleem hasil kar raha tha na takay wo Jamaat ke intizami amoor ke sath sath paisay ke amoor bhi sambhal lai. Meray ghar ke qareeb mein wo ladrka bhi rehta tha jis ko yea dur tha ke jamaat walay usay khud hi na goli maar dain us ke khat aaj bhi us ke ghar waloon ke pass khulay sabooton ke taur par maujood hain keon ke ussay kashmir mein jihad ke liye lai kar janay wali jamaat he thee. Aamir naam ke us ladrkay ko bilakhir shaeed kar he dia geya aur us ke shaheed honay ki khabar bhi koi 1 mahenay baad us ke ghar pohanchi thee. Us maan ko kaun jawab daita jis ka baita aisay geya, un behnoon ka kia jin ka jawan bhai mara geya for nothing (Yes for nothing coz what the hell is the out-come now for what happened in kashmir and what is still happening). Agar Qazi sahib jihad ko support kertay hain aur Shahdat ko buhat badra martaba samjhtay hain to why he is afriad of sending his own child for jihad they are young, healthy and fit enough to fight and fire, ehy they are not going for it? and yea maulveon ki siasat is kay to kia he kahnay, jo asaal kam tha in ka wo to yea kar nahe saktay ke loogon ko deen sikha dain, aur siasat kernay ko aa jatay hain. Pehlay apna asaal kam to kar loo islam ke naame par siasat kerna islam ko sirf baadnam kerna hai is ke ilawa kuch nahe coz they can get votes from our jazbati aur masoom qaum easily on the name od islam but if one look with an open mind while keeping his eyes open then see what they did for islam and islamic rule in pakistan in last 7 or 8 years. Aik islamic law to yea manzoor kerwa na sakay oper sai tamam ghair islami laws in ke essembly mein hotay howay manzoor howay. Jahan in ki zaroorat hoti the wahan yea WALK-OUT ker jatay thay keon ke QUAM ke paisay jo in ko tankhawhon ke maad mein miltay thay sab ke sab muft ke thay aur in kam yea he tha ke ijlas mein se uth jao aur bahir ja kar cafeteria mein chaye nosh ki jaye aur biscuit and cake khaye jain coz yea hi to wo kam tha jis ke liye yea loog election ladray thay.

  AND PLEASE DON’T ACCUSE ME FOR WRITING ALL THIS THINKING THAT I AM A MQM LOVER OR ANY OTHER PARTY LOVER, I AM JUST A PAKISTANI WHO IS LOOKING AT WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND HIM SINCE HE WAS TOO YOUNG AND I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO GET RID OF YOUR EMOTIONAL AFFILIATIONS WITH THE POLITICAL PARTIES THOSE ARE DOING NOTHING FOR OUR COUNTRY. 3 YEARS OR 5 YEARS IT DOESN’T MATTER COZ JIN LOGON NE KUCH KERNA HOTA HAI WO 1 SAAL MEIN BHI KAR JATAY HAIN. SIRF LADRKEON KE TASVEERON WALAY ADVERTISING BOARDS UTARNAY SAI ISLAM NAHE PHAILTA. SAWAT MEI NJO KUCH HO RAHA HAI WO AAJ ISIII WAJA SAI HAI WARNA AAJ TUK WAHAN PAR KOI AISA GUND KERNAY WALA PAIDA NAHE HOA THA. DIVIDE AND RULE PORANI CHEEZE HAI AND WE ALL MUST UNDERSTAND KE HAMARAY SATH KIA HO RAHA HAI KAHEEN PUNJAB KE NAAM PAR, KAHEEN SINDH KA NAAM PAR, KAHEEN PAKHTONISTAN KE NAAM PAR AUR PHIR BOLCHISTAN KE NAAME PAR AUR SAB SAI BADRH KAR ISLAM KE NAAM PAR HAMAIN BEWAOOF BANAYA JA RAHA HAI.

  Mujhay Mauf ke jiy ga agar kisi ki bhi dil azari hoi ho but this is truth that we are one of the emotional and innocent nation (infact if you say its just a mob it will be right coz we never acted as a nation but only when it was like the matter of life and death or to save our country) which is being mis-guided by the maula’s and the stupid politicians since a long time now.

  And Sufi bhai meri aik arz hai ke yea DICTATORSHIP and POLITICIANS ke chakar se bahir aa jain, in politicians ne aaj tuk hamain kuch bhi nahe diya siway mehangai, choor bazari, khun kharaba aur sab kuch agar kia to hamaray hi paisay thay jo ham taxes ke maad mein government ko adaa kertay hain aur agar baad mein yea governments kuch kar daiti hain hamaray liye to ham shukar guzar bhi inhi ke hotay hain jaisay yea loog apni zameenay aur jaidadain baich kar is mulak ke awam ke liye kuch kar rahay hain. In ke tankhwahain tuk to hamaray paid taxes mein se jate hain, in ko diye gaye ghar aur tamaam asaishain hamaray he khun paseenay ke kamaye hoti hain janab. Agar daikhna hai to MAIRAJ KHALID sahib ki misal ko daikheye jo wazir-e-azam banay magar apnay he ghar mein rehtay thay aur siway kisi official meeting ke sarkari gadri use nahe kertay thay, hai koi aisa politician to batain jo is tarhan apnay aap ko seedha rakhtay howay is quam ke liye kuch karay.

  Koi hai aisa jo prime-minister house mein na rahay aur koi aisa jo kahay ke mein minister hoon to kia howa mein baghair tankhawah ke kaam karon ga coz meri quam aur meray mulak ko meri zaroorat hai, can you find and name a single honest person????

  Sorry mein kuch ziada hee likh geya hun halankay mein siraf aik social work par comment dainay aya tha, laikin yea sab wo hai jo mein buhat arsay sai daikhta aa raha hun.

  I know agar mein khul kar bola to shayed mujhay ban kar diya jaye ga ya phir nishandahi honay par kisi ke through udrwa dia jaye ga magar hamaray politiocian sab ke sab corrupt hain and no one is honest person with this nation and country. We will have to work hard like a true nation to get rid of these politicians and maulvi’s and show the world that we are one of the respectable and excellent nations that we are if we just try to do a lil bit harder to disperse the mob and get together against every thing that is not acceptable.

  Hope ya guys wont mind what I have said and will like to know truth and find it near you.

  Islam is always a great religion but its name is never meant to be used in the manner these politicians are using to just get votes and earn easy money while living in ultimate comfort. Jialay aur karkoon hamesha waisay hi rehtay hain kabhi suna ke koi jiala ya karkoon zameendar ban geya hoo but yea suna ke loog ghodron ko murabay khilatya hain aur lohay kai containers mangwatain hain :-)

  Cheers

• 47 No Name // May 5, 2008 at 5:36 pm

  Well, that “Paji” is not going to fight America, he and his Tola was created by them. They worked for them to break Russia and sent thousands of innocent people to Russia in the name of Jihad…but what NOW?? Why the hell they don’t send people to Afghanistan or to Iraq in the name of Jihad? THINK……AND YOU FIND THE ANSWER…! they are MUNFIQEEN and muslins shall be very careful with them…

  These *$^*@#^@! fool innocent people in the name of Islam…they have two underground teams, Shabab-e-Milli and Passban….there were two similar wings in East Pakistan…Al-Shams and Al-Bader.. they were involved in killing and looting of thousands of our fellow Bengali Muslim MEN AND WOMEN! All in the name of Islam…!! They let East Pakistan become Bangladesh..because that’s the way their AQAS ( WHO GIVE THEM… US DOLLARS AND VIASA AND A LOT MORE) wanted it to happen. They are well protected by their AQAs…they are well connected…and damns well paid…for the services they provide to them by fooling muslins in the name of Islam….Astqgfurillah!

• 48 najmi // May 6, 2008 at 1:28 am

  may allah save us from currupt politicians & real munafiqeins . may allah give our ppl wisdom &knowledge to think wat they do in their real life & wat should they do to correct thier way of thinking.
  ppl dont do work with honesty at their job ,pay bribes to get their job done anyway,&they think that they are the best muslims in town.just think about it .ppl who give bribes or take bribes both are going to hell yani rishwat lainai wala aur dainai wala dono jahenam mai jaingai
  so why dont we try ourself to get rid of this .tell our muslim brothers that this is haram. togather we can make a beter pakistan.
  long live pakistan

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