Source: Chicago Tribune
Fiscal realities make new conflict between rivals less likely
By Henry Chu and Laura King | Tribune Newspapers
December 6, 2008
NEW DELHI—Hostility between India and Pakistan is at its worst in years, but tensions stemming from last week’s terror attacks in Mumbai are unlikely to bloom into full-blown war between the nuclear-armed rivals—at least for now, according to analysts on both sides of the border.
Indian authorities say that the gunmen whose rampage killed 171 people in Mumbai were trained and guided by the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba. New Delhi has demanded that Islamabad turn over leaders of Lashkar and has refused to rule out military action, warning that it had the right to protect its territory “with all the means at our disposal.”
But a combination of new political and economic realities, U.S. pressure and perhaps some lessons learned in the past have inhibited a rush to open conflict. Any war would be financially devastating, especially at a time of worldwide recession. India’s economic juggernaut has lost some steam. And even more dire, Pakistan has had to appeal to the International Monetary Fund to keep its economy afloat.
Foreign investment in both countries, which fled during the 2001-02 standoff, would vanish once again in the event of an armed clash.
“No one can afford it,” said Abhay Matkar, a former Indian army major in Mumbai. “Both countries are not ready for war, and it will not happen.” Tammy Haq, a popular talk show host in Pakistan.
“We’ve had decades of propaganda about how strong we are, but we can’t win a war,” Haq said. “We have an army that’s fat, not a well-oiled fighting machine.”
Another factor leading to the relatively restrained response may be the lessons learned from a somewhat similar attack in 2001, an incident that some say almost led both countries to do the unthinkable and press the nuclear button.
On Dec. 13, 2001, a group of gunmen stormed the Indian parliament building in New Delhi and came close to killing the lawmakers inside. When the siege was over, more than a dozen people were dead, including the five assailants and several police.
That attack was also blamed on Pakistani Islamic extremists, allegedly abetted by the country’s powerful intelligence agency. Within days, India deployed the first of hundreds of thousands of troops along its border with Pakistan, which promptly followed suit.
The military standoff lasted months before intensive international diplomacy helped dissuade the archrivals from launching their fourth war in 55 years.
A peace process initiated in 2003 has improved the air somewhat, but real progress toward resolving the dispute over possession of Kashmir, the divided Himalayan region that lies at the heart of the two countries’ mutual animus, has been fitful and elusive.
“The step taken in 2001 and 2002 was not the wisest. Maybe they learned from that,” said Ved Marwah, an expert on Indo-Pakistani relations at the Center for Policy Research in New Delhi.
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91 responses so far ↓
1 Vijay // Dec 21, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I think India can afford a war because Pakistan would not be able to stand more than 3 days, with their present economic stand, in any war. India can stand longer, and hence can ‘afford’ to war, to end the trouble once and for all.
2 Rajan Y Arya // Dec 22, 2008 at 6:18 pm
All -
Pakistan and India if they go to war - it will be a much surgical strike operation by the Indians and Pakistan might retaliate by taking out bases and civilian targets in Punjab, Kashmir (Indian Side) Rajasthan, Gujarat and if you please Delhi as well. The latter being a wish ful thinking on part of Pakistan or yet again if you please a hara kiri sortie. However its incorrect to say that Indias financial status might not allow a war of any magnitude. India has the capability of both surgical, and full scale strikes on Pakistan and all this shall happen with not even a single word of dissent or criticism from the International Community. Americans, Israelis and other European Nations facing the brunt of Neo Islamist Terrorism shall be only glad so much as making their work easier to root out terrorism.
Coming back to the subject: Pakistan cannot stand for more than a week if an all out war is waged by either side. The $8 billion IMF loan was given with conditions attached that the grant / loan shall not be channelised towards any aggressive act by Pakistan. However much we may critique that Pakistan will not adhere to this pre-requisite of the loan by IMF, the world knows that Pakistan will cry foul and try and muster up support from Pan Arabian “Friends of Pakistan” community. That also doesnt seem to be a good idea as Saudi who apparently is a big donor to Pakistans religious schools and to the establishment itself will think twice before airing its views; so its self explanatory that other Arab Nations will follow suit, owing to the American / European favors they already owe.
3 Kabool // Dec 22, 2008 at 10:05 pm
I can only say that if India makes war on us we will blast their bad ars all over south asia and the Indian ocean
4 Vijay // Dec 23, 2008 at 8:56 am
I can understand your sentiment Kabool, but do you think what you said is possible while Pakistan has to beg/plead for $8 Billion from IMF? I have been tracking the economy of Pakistan for the last 5 months. Seeking China, US, IMF for $20 Billion, then inflation at 20%+, Pakistan is helpless and will run into debt loop or worse if it messes with India.
Moreover, one bullet hole in a plane would be irreplaceable to Pakistan since the world community is now, not going to support Pakistan. Why do you think US is moving 30,000 troops into Afghanistan? It is because if Pakistan moves its troops to their eastern border, US is not held at ransom for any help!
Get real, take a break. Think logically. War sets countries 10 years into history. Pakistan cannot afford it, while India stands as the 12th richest nation in the world, India can take its chances.
5 laxmi // Dec 23, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Pakistan is a poorer of the poorest country. The politisian and the terrorist groups can only live in comfortable zone if they make others below poverty lines. They also want that the poors in pakistan should not use their brain and keep them away from the reality. That is why they mislead innocent very young people who does not know the world into crime. I sorry for the mislead public and who believe the Jihad. The jihad leaders live in very safe zone. Why can’t they themselve go for jihad?. Never believe politisian terrorist heads. They won’t leave their own family for their advantage
6 Akshaya // Dec 23, 2008 at 8:20 pm
hi vijay,
You are correct ..But what abt nuclear weapon …WE all know that pakistan is having very less to loose … even they want to destroy themselvs completely they may use nuclear weapon but INDIA also will loose more..
7 Vijay // Dec 23, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Time will tell if they have the courage to be ravaged and split into pieces like countries that history has for us to witness. Germany, Vietnam, Korea….. Pakistan, probably, would be split into 5/6 pieces if they did something so stupid, stupider than what all they have done so far!
8 khan // Dec 24, 2008 at 4:09 am
dear all…
it is true that pakistan is not in shape of war. it is also true that pakistan lacks funds for war…it is also true that we are a 100 times weak then india..maybe more then that. but here is the reality…if the patans of pakistan and afghanistan can take a country like russia out…if we can fight againt the americans with almost nothing….then we will also fight gurella against india…..our borders touch each other….it is true that india can win the war with technology and economy..but the war wont stop there….and secondaly…pakistan has chemical, biological and nuclear weapons….their missles can rach any part of india…if so is the case…then pakistan is capible of sending india a 100 years back….we will die our self…but we will talk india down with us…
so whty fight….why?…..lets all pray for peace….killing is not what we are born for….
9 Vijay // Dec 25, 2008 at 9:34 am
1) Fighting against Russia was backed by US. The training and funding came from US. It is a misconception that the Taliban brought down the big bear. They did it with the *alms* and ammunition donated by US.
2) The Pathans are not fighting against the US. They do not dare it.
3) Yes, you cannot expect anything more than geurilla warfare from cowards. That is what India has been seeing for the last 3 decades after Pakistan lost 2 wars waged against India.
4) Nukem war against India will just make Pakistan a flat, uninhabitable terrain with mere dust.
This about the people that live in either sides of the border and then write. If you can be an extremist and illogical patriot, so can Indians. The population just outweighs the chances of a one-to-one war with India. This wise, this peace.
Moreover, assuming you are a Pakistani, you should be more concerned about democracy and centralization of power. The military has ruled for over 20 years. There is no control of the people, that make the government in a ‘democracy’. If you are a citizen and are patriotic, you would have been waging a war against corruption and incompetent governance.
Interestingly, 90% of Pakistan’s wealth is with 10% of the population! I hope you have heard of the top 10 companies in India. The fact remains true that those 10 companies could have loaned the $8 Billion that Pakistan had been begging for the last 5 months which finally IMF decided to give away as a bad debt.
Vijay
10 Vijay // Dec 25, 2008 at 9:37 am
* I wonder why “THINK” has thrown up as “THIS” is most part of my comment. Read with corrections.
11 Ram // Dec 25, 2008 at 10:05 am
Vijay,
Your Stats re amazing,but i think you are just communicating to people with zero or negligible IQ,Pls dont expect them to understand any of the concerns,Thats the way they are brought up,
Giving you another piece of information,They just have one stock exchange,Karachi Stock Exchange,MArket Capital of all companies put together listed on the exchange does not equal half the wealth of a Single Business Tycoon in India ,If You who am talking about.(Mukesh Ambani).
Tell them to stay away to stay Afloat ,
Cheers
12 Vijay // Dec 25, 2008 at 10:43 am
:) That was a good one Ram. I get the point about the IQ. Thanks for reminding me whom we are trying to communicate with!
13 Ever // Dec 25, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Dear All,
I’ve read everything very closely and I really appreaciate your logical information.
I’d just like to say that no religion teaches bad things. I some Hindu does wrong deeds we can not blame Hinduism and like wise with all religions.
As far as Islam is concerned, it’s dictionary meaning is peace and it solely stresses the importance of knowlege (studies).
The thing is some groups are doing all this shit for the sake of their own advantage and just want to spoil the International Islamic Image.
Islam teaches brotherhood. I don’t think that any rational person would be in the favor of war. It’s not a solution of anything. This is true that both the counties are being used by some third parties.
It’s not some one’s personal fault that s/he is ignorant. It’s our duty to help them and love them.
Both countries are Atomic Powers and hence the danger is on the both sides.
The only thing both the countries might get through war is Worst Poverty, Ignorance, Mass Destruction.
So please try to be cool and we need to educate people and tell them that what the real values are and what we’re here for.
Promote brotherhood.
Peace!
14 g-man // Dec 25, 2008 at 10:02 pm
guys\
u r absolutely right pakistan has nothing to lose but india has a lot
so who ll be wrecked b pak india war??
pak or india
total revenue garnnered by pakistan whole exports s less than the foreign money earned
by indian film industry only
india s silicon valley can make the dream of shining india to come true in few years
so wt u think mun mohan singh s so idiot that he ll attack on pakistan and
destroy his country s economy with his own hands?/if sicon valleys s gone by pakistani aircrafts then?
pakistan has ngo silicon valley to lose
as u guys told khirachi stock exchange s not so worthy will indian aircraft can compensate the loss of
silicon valley by dstrroying khirachi stock exchange??
{just to add to ur info pak has 3 stck exchanges not one}
if a country like u.s.a s crying for help after attacking on iraq
today 75 % of the territory of afghanistan s occupied by taliban
whenever usa tries to stal a single drop of oil from iraq to usa iraqis bang them to cry
india s not usa
india s also in the list of poorest nation
according to sarc statictics
35% of the population lives below poverty line in india
while in pakistan it s 28%
60% of indians has a dream to drink clear water in their lives
gdp per capita in india s 560 us dollars
in pakistan it s 600 us dollars
exports per capita in india s 42 usdollars
in pakistan 65 us dollars
infact indians has got the hABBIT TO IMMITATE usa all the way
now they think by immitating americans they have become americans
if pakistan s so weak n india soooooo strong then y india s thinking for 1000 times to attack on pakistan??
noway guys
if india sustains a war for 7 days
4 million people will die of hunger in india
lakshmi mital s rich that doesn t mean the whole india s rich
a country like israel could nt stand against a small country like jordn
how can india can afford a war against a country like pakistan
pakistan s poorest no doubt
but pakistan s not iraq afghansitan nor jordan mind it
india ll be wrecked into many small countries mun mohan singh konws it
thats y he s not do anything foolish
let me tell u something very important
usa beged for aid form sudi arabia uae and qatar and requested kuwait to re fund the 16 bill $
loan that it borroed for iraq war
may be arabs ll help usa but o aarab ll be their to help india…mun mohan singh knows it he he he
we accept we are going through the worst economy crisis
but we don t hide it we r not biasd
u guys must also tell the world the real picture of india
i know many indians personaly who raise the slogan of shining india richest india with their bellies yelling for food
how pitty
i feel sory for u guys
wesay bhai
everybody saw indian police fleed from taj hotel when those terrorists were firing so wt i have a doubt that indians ll not flee from the war zone
mind na kerna no offense
and stop spreading war hysteria plz
15 pakis-begged, borrowed, stolen // Dec 25, 2008 at 11:18 pm
g-man the whole world can understand your pakistan problem. what greatness you are talking about terrorists who have killed unarmed innocent people.thats cowardness. well you cant fight with a maniac terrorist who is firing with AK47. Can you?
the jihadis whose main aim to so get fresh virgins from hell should come forward and fight with indian soldiers.not innocent people who are resting in a hotel.After all the pakis/jihadis are looking out for fresh virgins (i believe no virgins in paki land, may be screwed by pathans,US soldiers) you have no choice. We know your military, ISI cant fight with jihadis but only indians will send you to the right virgins soon.Its a shame. disgusting pakis on earth.
16 Sun // Dec 25, 2008 at 11:49 pm
All
No need for India 2 wage war agsnt paki. Pak will collapse automatically within a short time. they hav worst economy,huge loans, factions within islam killing one another…they have become MAD and totally INSECURE ..their survival rests with hatred towards india..they want to burn india with islamic terrorism, but they dont know that while trying to burn other thing, a match stick has to burn itself (and there is nothing left…)
shortly we may see some new countries like Sindh, Punjab and Baluchistan… so question of war with pakistan wont arise (as there wont be any pakistan…)
17 Vijeth // Dec 26, 2008 at 3:51 am
Though if it is not about pakistan, we should atleast fight a war on the terror.It is insane watching those barbarians coming to civilised world and destroying our peace for no reason no cause, just in the name of god.
It is true that terror doesn’t have any religion, but 99.9% terrorists in the recent times are islamics.Why majority of terrorist belong to Islam?? I dont blame muslims or islam for this. May be Muslims(esp in the terrorist prone areas) get inspired by the ideals of the islamics fighting for eternity so called jiahd. What does that mean actauly to them?? Does that mean allah will pimp some beautiful virgin chicks for killing thousands of innocent people huh???
Even the educated class of muslims are a threat.
see the case of the london attacks, the indian parliament attacks the suspect was a professor and the recent Indian serial blasts which was master minded by an software engineer.Muslim peace loving communities have to rethink about it.
It is also true that pakistan is a bigger victim of terror but to the terror it breeded all this time. Terror which grew with an aim. Some to gain Kashmir, Some to overthrow the Western AntiIslamic Forces and many to Supress India. We are the victims of terror for no cause no reason but only that we share a Bloody Border with pakistan.
Pakistan’s ISI breeded terrorists to serve a proxy war againt india. Pak Prez Zardi accepted ISI had links with LeT in the past.So what had changed pakistan and the ISI in the past decade to become free of this terrorist groups. It is quite evident even for now that pakistan’s Army calls the shots in pakistan not the government.
The whole world had the proof that Ajmal Kasab is a Pakistani and even Nayaz sharf said he himself checked the evidence( now took a Uturn on his decision after pak Army cheif warned him) while still pakistan is banging the desk for a concrete evidence. Aint pakistan ashamed to act soo ameture? Molana Azaar fugivite under indian law was exchanged to jamad for an Hijacked india passenger plane, who was earlier clamied by pakistan that he was in custody, Now when india asked says ” He is at large.” But as a matter of fact now enjoying ISI top security and inspring people on terror in a meeting.Why should be sit quite huh???
Who says india cant afford an war?? Dont compare India pakistan war with the US-Iraq war. To speak on the fact India spends only 10% for the same operation spent by the US. Why do u people talk about nuclear attacks. Pakistan cannot afford to nuclear strike. It has 25 to 50 war heads whereas india has 100 to 150 war heads which can be extended to 500 with a higher devastrating power than that of the pak.
India has more over has a Missile Defence sheild mechanism to block any incoming missiles from pakistan and more over there is a new upcoming Antimissile atillary signed between india and Us apart from the secret clusterbomb missiles deal to tackle pakistan.
May be india has to pay alot for the aftereffects of the war but anyways better than leaving in the neighbourhood of terrorists.
According to sourses pakistan ceases in maximum of 12 days of war and a use of nuclear weapon first by pakistan would leave it devastated to extent of not even able to prepare for anykind of strike back in any forms and could even cease its existance.
(sourses: US based sourses that have informed pakistan the same in onset of a war during the Oil pipe line problem with india and reports also say that such a nuclear war would have catastrophic effects on the environement. It consumes 40% of the ozone layer and takes several hundered years to get back to normal.)
Hope I have enlightned some people and this note made above is based on many truted intrenet sources
with reagrds
Vijeth
18 Vijay // Dec 26, 2008 at 7:09 am
Indians,
Please do not spoil the secular culture we were born in and have lived through-out. I am sure none of your have innate hatred for any other religion, specifically Islam. Then why point out anyone’s belief? I am sure none of the Pakistani’s know or can feel/understand/realise what secularism is, and so, it is our duty to exemplify what it is. I am sure every Indian has a friend or relative that is a muslim. Does religion bind India to ideology or any sort? I know that the unanimous answer is a ‘No’. So, let us just leave the Pakistani’s in their well-defined ‘well’ and in bliss of ignorance about the rest of the world.
We will see soon what is to happen.
Vijay
19 g-man // Dec 26, 2008 at 2:24 pm
my friend no emotional draama plzzz
the guy who wrote th coment on virgin thing not even dare to right his name and he s saying we are very brave huh
is there any one who ccan prove india s 12th richest country……………come on prove me woth statics stop spreading bullllllllllshittttttttttttttttttttt ok???
20 g-man // Dec 26, 2008 at 3:02 pm
@vijhet
india has 10 times more powerfull than pakistan with respect to militarial aspect
but u know india an t use its atomic weapons at all
u know y?
if india does atomic attack on lahoe amar star will be affected eqaully
if india use atomic bomb on khirachi mumbai will not be saved either by radiations
only islamabad s the target
but pakistan can use its atomic warheads to delhi kolkata pune bengore without any toil
i know atomic waar could be devastating but pakistan has no other option pakistan economy can t afford to withhold long war so u know i know eveybudy knows atomic war gona ensue if pak india war happens
terrorism s realy a big issue pakistan s the main victom of it no doubt no budy says terrorist r doin right whether in pak or in india
but thinking like america india s threating pak?thats really obsurd
the peole who killed innoccent people in mumbai r coward no one says they did a great job everybudy condemn it
yea u r right
pak india war can t be compared with us iraq war
cz india s not u.s.a nor pak is iraq
countries can be defeated not nations
it s proven in each n every case whetehr it ws vit nam or iraq
21 Vijeth // Dec 26, 2008 at 3:08 pm
I dont mean to mistake india secularism. I am talking ina wider scene, Musilims in india are worst getting affected by this terrorists.
Take a case of uneducated hindu , obviously seeing these terrorists attack he will have a nasty opnion on muslims. And so it on many communites of india.
And upon that poor muslims in india take the blame and also many get brain washed by these terrorist to act against the nation. We have to elimintate these Jihads from the face of the earth
22 pakis-begged, borrowed, stolen weapons // Dec 26, 2008 at 3:36 pm
but all the pakistani weapons are begged, borrowed and stolen from china and other countries.if the war is imposed pakistan have no choice, even kayani, zardari will turn out to be terrorists. they are a screwed up country. pakistan has lost reputation in the world. what balls jihadi they r doing?? ultimate aim is to get a virgin??? fk these insane paki jihadis. allah will see paki’s end soon.
23 pakis-begged, borrowed, stolen weapons // Dec 26, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Plausible deniability, the doctrine under which Pakistan’s ISI-jihadi complex undertakes covert campaigns against India, is getting more implausible
by the day, even as it is aided by a state of denial in that country’s civilian government. A week after Pakistani defence minister Chaudhary Ahmad Mukhtar confirmed that Maulana Masood Azhar, chief of the terrorist Jaish-e-Mohammed, was under house arrest, foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said the government had no idea where he was. Shades of Dawood Ibrahim, of whose whereabouts Islamabad denied any knowledge even as reports were appearing in the Pakistani press about the don’s presence at a plush bungalow in Karachi.
This pattern was repeated when President Asif Ali Zardari denied that Ajmal Amir Kasab, the surviving terrorist among the perpetrators of 26/11, was from Pakistan, despite Kasab’s own testimony that he was from Faridkot in Punjab. This testimony is corroborated by reports in the UK and Pakistani press based on interviews with his father who is a resident of Faridkot and who recognised Kasab from his photographs in the media. That should be enough to spark an investigation in Pakistan, but security agencies have instead stopped the entry of outsiders and journalists into the area. Even as Islamabad calls on New Delhi to provide further “proof” against the 26/11 terrorists, proof that has already persuaded the UN Security Council to ban the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) as a terrorist organisation, actions such as cordoning off Kasab’s village bely any hope that evidence provided by India will be taken seriously.
In defiance of the UNSC ban and in spite of Islamabad’s claim that it is closing JuD’s facilities, their main campus at Muridke remains open and is functioning normally, while JuD organises rallies, helped by other religious parties, to mobilise support in its favour. Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, who according to a survey carried out by the US-based International Republican Institute is the most popular politician in Pakistan today, lifted the veil of denial an inch when he questioned the cordoning off of Kasab’s village, saying that the government’s inability to enforce its authority gave Pakistan the appearance of a “failed state”.
The only real hope of persuading Islamabad to take effective action against terror is through forging an international coalition to pressure Pakistan, for which a concerted diplomatic offensive is necessary. This offensive needs to point out Islamabad’s evasions and its defiance of the UNSC ban on JuD, while making the case that Pakistan’s coddling of terror groups affects not just India but the world. New Delhi urgently needs to make the case that terror in South Asia, much of which emanates or is planned out of Pakistan, is not an Indo-Pak bilateral problem. It is in fact a global threat for which globally coordinated action is immediately necessary.
24 Vijay // Dec 26, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Till now I have been trying to be polite and all. Nothing stops me from being rude and extremist piece of crap like you. Still I go on.
India is the 12th richest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
I think you are educated and competent enought to figure out the difference between a per capita and nominal GDP, but anyways, let me tell you. Per capita is like telling where Indians stand (not India), and nominal is where the country stands. If you want to learn more, enroll in college, educate yourself and broaden your horizon and learn what the consequences of messing with India would be.
Educate yourself.
25 Vijeth // Dec 26, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Arent you pakistanis aware of these facts?? or just playing hide seek claming you are a responisble state.
Paki PM Mr.Gilani shifted all his talks from terrorist to now attacking back india if it attacks.
Doesn’t India has the right to talk of aggresion when 200 of its people belonging to elite society were dead in massive terrorist attack in Mumbai?
Are pakistans too dumb to understand the situation. None of the pakistani ministers now talk about elimintating the terrorist groups who have invloved in 26/11, instead there are busy giving confidence to there people that pakistan can attack india.Why do these Pak Officals act as if they came from the future?? Every one knows Pak terrorirst elements invloved in Mumbai attacks. Why cant hey atleast do their part of investigation instead of bangin the dest for a concrete evidence.
PAk Army Cheif kayani was the ISI head when General Parwiz musharaf signed a deal with pro-taliban forces in pakistan for a proxy war. He was next to Musharaf in every event he did. What makes any one belive that he is a responsible Ethical Army cheif??
The recent Taliban forces of the pak-afghan border claimed their support to pakistan in a event of war with INDIA, and also reported that they will supply man power to pakistan’s army, Isn’t that enought to prove the links between Pak’s army and Terrorists .
Does any son of the Pakistan has balls to answer if at all they still belive pakistan is a responsible state???? Show me what you got you barbarians??
And the funniest part is the recent lahore blasts… in which pakistani offical responded in hours never in the history of pakistan investigation history by detaining some so called “Indian Spies” and urged international communities to ask India to shut down terrorist camps in india. Look how id talking about terrorism ha ha ha!!!! And Unfortunately there Ametured act was slaped back by their own Jihads who claimed the blasts.
I seriously wana know why pakistan is soo Cheap and soo ametured??? PLs show up Asses any Pakistani pls i seriously wanna know why????
26 g-man // Dec 27, 2008 at 1:29 am
hahaahahaaha
that really funny
hilarious
i laughed out after so long
u said i have been plight but now im gonna tell u pakistaniss…
never mind im still plight cz u guys mental status s miserable u guys need intensive care
u started hallucinations my frnd
take it serious
so india s on 12th slot on this list of wikipedia
will u please let me know at which number s pakistan
cz im uneducated illterate
pakistan s along with israel singa pore
and is better than newziland
qatar oman
hungry
kuwait
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my GOD i didnt know pakistan s richer than kuwait qatar hungry
wow man paistan s like singapore ans israel
thnxx
i request u all again
give me sa proof of wt u said INDIA S 12TH RICHEST COUNTRY OF THE WORLD
mr vijhaet
i never said that per capita s the criteria of a country s wealth or prosperity
but im telling u one thing gdp alone s also not a criteria either
india s not 12th richest country of the world india s at 12th number in gdp list
where pak s at 47th israel s on 43rd singapore s on 46th kuwait s on 53rd and many more
stop bullshittin im tellin u guys gain
one more thing
pakistani minisers said v gona attack india haahahaah are u insane?????/
u have gott hlucinations im not kiddin
pakistani pm or other ministers never said that u fool
ur sarbajeet singh himself confessed that he did 4 bomb blasts in different cities in pakistan
wt abt this?/
wt s the answer of around 8 indian councilates in afghanistan near baloshistan border??
r they r doin poja there???
pakistan has proofs for indian prob in bloshistan for years
recently inter pol s head gave a statement that india has failed to give any solid proof that
pakistan is involved in mumbai attacks
y don t u guys hide reality
learn to face the reality guys
india and pakistan both r poorest nationzzzzz they can t afford the war
27 g-man // Dec 27, 2008 at 1:42 am
Today, India is the twelfth largest in the world, with a GDP of 1.1 trillion U.S. dollars (2008)[7], which is approximately equal to the state of Texas or Mexico.[8][9]. recorded a GDP growth rate of 9.1% for the fiscal year 2007–2008, making it the world’s second-fastest growing major economy.[10] However, due to the current global economic crisis, India’s economic growth is expected to slow down to 6.7% in 2009.[11] Despite sustained economic development over the past decade, India continues to battle widespread poverty.
According to a World Bank report in 2008, 75.6% of the population lives on less than $2 a day (PPP), compared to 73.0% in Sub-Saharan Africa.[13] India has also higher rates of malnutrition than Sub-Saharan Africa.[14] Many people struggle to find non-agricultural jobs and over 70% is either illiterate or educated below the primary level.[15][16] The World Bank suggests that the most important priorities are public sector reform, creaking infrastructure, agricultural and rural development, removal of labor regulations, reforms in lagging states, and HIV/AIDS.[17]
this is real india
lines from an article from wikipedia economy of india
pakistan s condition s similar no doubt but v accept the reality don t hide it like u guys do
28 g-man // Dec 27, 2008 at 1:44 am
Though the middle class has gained from recent positive economic developments, India suffers from substantial poverty. Large numbers of India’s people live in abject poverty. 24.3% of the population earned less than $1 a day in 2005 down from 33.3% in 1990.[1] According to the latest (as of December 2008) World Bank estimates on poverty, based on 2005 data, 256 million Indians, or 41.6% of the country’s population, survive below the updated international poverty line of $1.25 (PPP) per day, down from 60% in 1981. The World Bank further estimates that fully one third (33%) of the world’s poor reside in India. Moreover, in India 828 million people, or 75.6% of the population, live on less than $2 a day, compared to 72.2% in Sub-Saharan Africa.
29 g-man // Dec 27, 2008 at 1:47 am
u guys should thank to the 70 percent population of india s illterate otherwise when u said india s one of teh richest tehy would have kill u guys
30 Vijay // Dec 27, 2008 at 7:53 am
Sorrow is just a part of your existence. It seems that the denial mode that Pakistan is in, is not just the governnment’s plight, it is a reality of the Pakistani’s. Here is my first offence here you pa-kiss-my-ass-tani.
Vijay
31 Vijay // Dec 27, 2008 at 8:42 am
For your info g-man, I assume ‘g’ stands for gutless, -man as a Boolean NOT man (enough)…
India has a current cash reserve of $247Billion, which has gone down by $53Billions since the global recession. The government just spared some change, ie., $11.x Billion to stimulate the economy, which happens to be more than 50% of what Pakistan had to “beg” for from the IMF.
In case of a war, assuming that India spends a ‘mere’ $50 Billions, Pakistan would be ravaged. Pakistan would be sent to stone age in 3 days because of the mounting debts and weak economy. I am not even talking about throwing nuclear weapons, which only a stupid person would start off, the likes of yourself.
For your understanding, the GDP is like an individual’s NAV, the sum value of all produce. The factors counting to rating the nation, does not include, area, population etc. India’s might is about 900 times Pakistan’s. About poverty, well, the fact remains that since liberalizing the economy, the purchasing power (and a bit of cost of living has shot up). I am not sure about whether Pakistani’s can still afford luxury spending, but modestly, from where India was and what it is now, even the ‘poor’ can afford a Pepsi or Lay’s chips without a second thought.
Earlier, the early 90s and before, it was very hard to imagine cold-drinks as ‘not a luxury’. The economic divide that you are talking about is something that would take a decade or two to balance. I don’t know if you know that India had to pledge her gold for $2 Millions about 3 decades back, and now, India hasn’t loaned for about 6 years! While Pakistan is, without offence, ‘begging’ for a few Billion dollars.
Hence the idea. And the SARC report you are talking about is quite analogous to the poverty in US not being highlighter. I don’t know if you can afford to travel out of your city/town, but let me enlighten you with the fact that I have personally seen homeless people picking food out of garbage cans in the US. Does that mean that US is a poor country? No, because we talk about their $13 trillion GDP. Understand yet?
Stop wasting your time on arguments that you are bound to lose, the same applies on your country on wasting resources on a war destined to lose. Where in ‘resources’ applies to human lives such as yourself, that less use brains and more of mouth, spitting senseless shit and showing courage while not having the guts to present the name!
Be happy in your ignorance if you choose to, but the truth remains that Pakistan would be trampled upon within 3 days in any war.
Keep begging!
32 chandru // Dec 27, 2008 at 9:16 am
hi guys pak is on suside mission none of the politician nor the generals will be there in pak after pressing the nuke button all will flee. only poor pakis will get killed. second strike from india willbe immidiate and will be devastating. india devoloped 2kilo ton weapons not even a single city or town will be left in pak. pak will be erased from the face of earth.
33 chandru // Dec 27, 2008 at 9:30 am
but the main point is india is having the weakest leadership at present only sonia has to take all the decission. any way army is capable of handling crisis is India is ready? thats the big question. whenever pak plans an terror coup first they close all the terror camps tempararily,keep their armed forces ready to respond in case of indian retaliation. we bloody indians sleep after every attack and cry looking at us. when we had kargil we were totally unprepared atleast then onwords we should have started preparing for a full fledged war with pak conventional as well as nuklear. by now we might have had total advantage. no our leadership won’t do that. they will sleep till the next attack. where are those urgently required 120 fighters? where is the aircraft carrier? where is the AWACS? list goes on. pak knows this and they will be planning next terror attack by now.
34 Souvik // Dec 27, 2008 at 10:47 am
My appeal to INDIAN brothers here in this board…. why are you talking to those pakistanis here? Plz maintain your standards, they have lack of education. A children in INDIA learns “A” for “apple” but see paki parents teach their child “A” for AK47. Yes this is the truth. I can see here pakis are commenting about economy.Do they really have ecomony??? The narcotics & drugs based ecomony. Do they have health infrastructure? NO they come to INDIA for better treatment. Remember “noor” & his family in our Bangalore? They have education? Show me atleast one IIM, IIT standard institution in pak. They only understand “LOTS OF GUNS & LOTS OF SONS”. They dont now how big is INDIA’s domestic market. Only INDIA is standing firm instead of global meltdown. Plz INDIAN brothers plz dont share you views with this uneducated jokers. & lets make our nation stronger. Stronger in ecomony that will make us superior in military naturally. So dont be provocked, we are able enough to suck the nation called pakistan.
Let me show you one article written by a pakistani journalist. Its shows how inferior they are against INDIA. They can show you guns, they can talk tough, they can show you bomb, but they know their position against INDIA, that inferiroty complex making them mad, its a hysteria among pakis. They are frustrated with their economy, frustrated with kashmir, frustrated with social security, frustrated with education,frustrated with health infrastructure,
frustrated with army. And look this frustration is 60 yrs old. And now see why they are a FAILED NATION.
http://www.trueversy.com/the-indian-chromosome-by-dr-farrukh-saleem/
35 Vijay // Dec 27, 2008 at 11:29 am
great link. thanks.
36 Vijeth // Dec 27, 2008 at 12:00 pm
OTher pls dont mind and pls dont go thrown that above message… it is only meant to Mr Shah and other pakistani dont mind it, told ya it is only a reply for his message
37 prajna // Dec 27, 2008 at 12:24 pm
i m some indian……….pls stop all these stories of war…..my grandpaa-grandmaa were driven out for pakistan……..in spite of this i blv war is not a solution…….its wll crt new hardness in life of common people like us……….this is trick alway played to win the throne………..a war cnt be beneficial neither for a indian……..not for a pakistani…………we all shld try to be a man with love,with murcy,with sympathy……..live & let live……….shanti,shanti,shanti……….
38 vikram // Dec 27, 2008 at 3:00 pm
For pakistan only i can say
“Barking dogs never bites”
39 Kabool Shah // Dec 27, 2008 at 3:04 pm
@Vijay
Instead of saying Pakistanis you should qualify it as some People in Pakistan. And the same can be said for many people in your country also. Let us expand our peace lobby and make common cause against the people you have so well described above.
They are to be found on both sides of the border and inspite of having an underdeveloped DNA wish to be called human beings and wish to live with us.
40 Kabool Shah // Dec 27, 2008 at 3:25 pm
This degenerate Shah does not represent Pakistan but has done a great job by provoking you into this diatribe against the Pakistani people. If you were not so full of your India he may not have succeeded.
41 Vijeth // Dec 27, 2008 at 4:23 pm
It was obvious an act of revenge… im not realy minding it.
42 g-man // Dec 27, 2008 at 8:36 pm
@vijay
This article includes a list of countries of the world sorted by their gross domestic product (GDP), the market value of all final goods and services from a nation in a given year. The GDP dollar estimates presented here are calculated at market or government official exchange rates.
extract of an article from wikipedia
go n jus send ur grandfather to give me reply
u guys don t know anything
u r saying gdp s the total index of all gus n bads
huhhhhh
n for vijeth who thinks he s einstine
there s no such term called richness used in econimcs for comparison btween to countries
indicies r
prosperity
and
poverty
no gud bye
u people dont have any ans and now jus cursin yelling abuding
cz
barkin dogs seldom bite
u r right vikram
ahahaahaahahaa
i forgot to tell u guys
after halucination sum people get dellusionzzzzzzzzzz hahaahaahaahaaha
oh han one thing for vijay
dude i ve been living in u.s.a for 2 yrs
go n ask ur father wt s da wages of a labourer in usa
it s 40 bugs per month for than an it pro s given in india
so 1st educate urselves guys
always remember think before u speak
never make bullshits and if u dnt know u better ask instead of startin bad words n abuses
cz here ur father g-man…the great man knows more bad words n abuses than even ur father knows
bye forever
GOD BLESS PAKISTAN
43 Vijay // Dec 27, 2008 at 8:39 pm
http://www.geo.tv/12-27-2008/31389.htm
A joke everyone would enjoy! Here is Mr. Responsible, Federal minister of production (aka reproduction) stating that a war would wipe 50% of Indian population while Pakistan would suffer 120 Million deaths!
Interesting is that Pakistan’s population is just over 165 million. I guess the casuality would include all the extreme mouthing senseless folks, the likes of G-man! Pakistan, evidently, is going through hillarious heights of moronization in the name of democracy!
This is just another evidence of what kind of *stupids*, the likes of G-man, elect in Pakistan! LOL…
44 Vijay // Dec 27, 2008 at 8:52 pm
And g-man, I just took time to read the entire crap that you typed in,I guess you do not have the *Balls* to come back again because from your English I can figure out which Madarsa you mugged up and got a certifuckate from.
Did your mom goto the forest or did the Makhor visit your house when your father was away? I guess your language exemplifies where you got your education from.
Yes, God has to bless Pakistan to save it from morons like you. Btw, did you know the FBI is tracking your IP to count you in the list of possible terrorists! LOL. You s/o a Makhor, do you even know how many IT companies there are in your entire country and where IT companies in India stand?
btw, look through your pakistani job boards and count the number of job categories under IT is, you will know how diverse your country is! LOL.
Yeah, and claiming to be in the US… Well, I am sure you could not find a job in your country because all the sensible ones decided to invest elsewhere in the world. Moreover, look through, the supposed company you work for in the US, (assuming you are for once telling the truth), might be owned/funded by an Indian.
And yeah, one final thing; Yes, my father knows.. and I know that my father is my father. Are you certain that you are not born of a Makhor? I am sure you cannot say with certainty. Your balls seem missing, maybe the Makhor took it as trophy of having impregnated your mother.
:)
45 Vijeth // Dec 28, 2008 at 12:57 am
Every one pls comment on that above link… this is for what they have attacked mumbai….
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/20081225200812250225081731635eb98/Terrorists-sexually-Humiliated-guests-before-killing-them
these are just some parts of the Unknow side of the mumbai attacks. there are many similar to this happend
46 peace // Dec 28, 2008 at 3:27 pm
These flame wars will not get you anywhere … India and Pakistan …
Don’t you both see the planning of the British. They left sub-continent for a purpose. Was the “British Empire” so weak, that they cared for uprisings led by people like Jinnah and Gandhi, and gave independence to the sub-continent?
No Sir. These Britishers were far more intelligent that we can dream of. They divided you, not for your independence, but to “rule” you.
What Pakistan and India is doing now, fighting with each other (may it be on forums like this, or in a full scale war), goes exactly in line with the British conspiracy.
India-Pakistan is fighting, their people live in poverty, they are not safe in their own homes. And the Britishers and Americans (and many others) are living peacefully, living a luxurious life, enjoying in their homes.
They sell you weapons, and buy them selves luxury. You buy the weapons, and throw them on you neighbors. Try searching Google for how much US arms sales have boosted since 2001.
If India thinks that going pro American will benefit it, please think again. See what the British East India Company did to India. These people are just businessmen, and will hold on to India till it is in their interest. See what happened to Afghanistan, after the USSR was defeated. The US did not spend a cent on the reconstruction of Afghanistan, against Billions of dollars they had spent on weapons.
You are all informed and enlightened people. You can visualize well, what will be the result of India Pakistan fighting. Who will gain and who will loose ….
47 Praveen // Dec 30, 2008 at 6:16 pm
India’s dilemma in dealing with pakistan is very peculiar. Its diplomatic messages and concerns can be addressed only to the democratic govt., while the all powerful army hides behind the polity. The pakistani army is diplomatically exposed only to the US leaders. India and Rest of the world, therefore, have trouble dealing Pakistan. India’s situation would have been far better had musharaff been in power. He was the govt. as well as the military.
As some of the friends here mentioned a whole scale war may not be possible… But India can’t wait for Pakistan democracy to mature and claim responsibility for terrorist activities perpetrated from its soil. Hence there should nevertheless be a surgical strike to dismantle key terrorist infrastructure in Pok/Azad Kashmir. India should punish the wrong in Pakistan without affecting its innocent citizens.
I totally agree with “PEACE” (46). But without a minimal strike the nascent moderate voices in Pakistan would be permanently muted.
48 peace // Jan 1, 2009 at 2:51 pm
@Praveen, do consider, what terrorism is. If we donot consider politically engineered terrorism, then the reality of terrorirsm has more to do with human psychology, that it has to do with anything else.
A terrorist is born out of agression. This is the human mind in play. You supress somebody through agression, and he will spring out (just like a spring), and say what the hell. You kill somebody’s family members in front of his eyes, and yoho! you have given birth to a terrorist. No religion or ethics in the world can convince the person, that he is not right in taking revenge of the deaths of his family members, by strapping an explosive jacket and exploding it wherever he thinks right.
Now, surgical strikes at terrorist centres will root out terrorism … Please think again! . Who has ever heard of extinguishing a fire by pouring gasoline over it !!!
What i have mentioned is a fact, a human psychological fact. This is where the international community is getting it wrong. You bomb terrorists, you make more terrorists, you bomb more terrorists, you make a whole lot more terrorists.
And history proves it. Did bombing Afghanistan root out the terrorist network … … any answers ? … the terrorist network is all the more strong now … the world is in a greater danger today than it was in 2001. This is what bombing terrorists results in …. !
49 Praveen // Jan 1, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Hi Peace,
I agree with you. Terrorism was born out of lack of other viable alternatives (like polity or even conventional war) to expression of interests of a section of people.
To wipe out terrorism completely from the face of the earth, you need to convince people that your actions don’t harm their interests.
I agree… You cannot win someone’s love at the tip of a gun. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind (Gandhi).
But I wish you consider the following haunting questions …
How do you address state-sponsored terrorism? (which has permanent presence and assured source of finance and weapons, unlike Al-Quaeda)
How do you address terrorism in the short-run?
How will you win over moderates without attacking the extremists? (I guess the former goal entails the latter)
I am sure you will present convincing answers for these questions, which keep haunting me every time I come across a terrorist attack.
50 Kabool Shah // Jan 1, 2009 at 10:28 pm
@Peace and @ Perveen
although there are some interesting points here but i dont see why we should go into the defination of terrorism under this topic. What happened in India was terrorism and the perpetuaters should be brought to justice. Terrorism here is clearly a tool used by some vested interest. Many people could be its beneficiaries but very probably the patrons of the militant groups in Pakistan (specially those in my province of Pukhtoonkhawa) who have used this to build sympathy for the militants /terrorists and withdraw the army fighting them.
51 g-man // Jan 2, 2009 at 6:19 pm
@vijy
o u fool wt s da connection between living in usa and proficiency of english
my enilsh s poor but it does show whr i live\there r 70 percent spanish people in usa who cant speak even a single of engilsh
u inians even cant do proper reasoning
wt can i say now
pepsi n lays s a luxury for indians…now info added to me
inda pak tension s been diffused almost
MAY GOD BLESS PAKISTAN
52 Kabool Shah // Jan 5, 2009 at 7:19 pm
@Peace
“A terrorist is born out of agression. This is the human mind in play. You supress somebody through agression, and he will spring out (just like a spring), and say what the hell. You kill somebody’s family members in front of his eyes, and yoho! you have given birth to a terrorist”.
During the second world war the allies killed hundreds of thousands of germans and japenese but these countries did not become volcanoes of terrorism. Terrorism is a criminal act for money. True some innocent people become agents of terror because of their state of mind born out of some serious hurt but these people are only puppets in the hands of crafty criminals whose agenda is money directly or indirectly.
A disturbed person can be helped or used. The terrorists use him to make money. It could be a corporation trying to stop another from transporting oil or mining gold or exploiting any other resource or it could be a business class trying to keep political hold over a country. And it goes on and on but it is always money and it is a crime.
53 Klutzkaboom // Jan 9, 2009 at 12:10 am
@G-Man
Quote
da wages of a labourer in usa it s 40 bugs per month
Unquote
In America you’re paid in BUGS????? Wonder what they do with BUGS they earn!
Well, jokes aside, I don’t think war is the answer, it’s in best interest of Pakistan and its people to ensure it wipes out terrorists plotting from its land and eradicates such outfits that keep spewing venom against almost everyone
I pray for there remains peace in the whole world
Finally, an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind, hence lets get together and formulate a plan that will keep us all sighted and at the same time wipe out extremism, not by killing them but by educating them and helping them see the truth
54 Smiling Buddha -Pokhran // Jan 9, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Here now its becoming understandable how PAK manufactures terrorists…
People with weak mentalites can be easily involved in anti social activities…
55 Vijay // Jan 23, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Finished watch this movie called “Khuda ke liye”. Now I understand where g-man gets his ideas from!
56 Klutzkaboom // Feb 13, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Don’t know if the war is on cards or not, but Pakistan, under pressure has finally agreed the planning of Mumbai attacks was done in Pakistan
57 Vijay // Mar 4, 2009 at 10:29 am
Wasn’t the event yesterday in Pakistan, on the Srilankan team, worth calling a backfire on Pakistani double standards of claiming not having bred, and not still breeding terrorists?
I guess it is true that with the likes of g-man around, Pakistan, sadly, is bound towards a state of lawlessness, and possibly being declared a terrorist state itself.
58 Klutzkaboom // Mar 4, 2009 at 11:15 am
@ Lahore Attack on Sri Lankan Cricket Team
I guess the only reason this whole show was probably put up was to show the US that they are also affected by terror and they still need their begging bowls filled with donations from everyone possible
The reason I feel this whole thing was nothing more than a show is because none of the terrorists were either killed or caught alive. The arrests made have led to nothing, obviously, the system is in sync with the terror groups and hence the terrorists were allowed to escape without much hassle.
59 Kabool Shah // Mar 5, 2009 at 11:55 am
There can be various reasons behind this attack and we can only guess. some that I have heard are listed below:
1. A warning to the Government in Islamabad to lay off Punjab
2. A reply by the Indian military establishment to the pakistani military establishment. (The two armies secret games)
3. The tamil tigers could have done this. If so than the tamil tigers and the jihadis may have a common patron.
4. A method to keep controll over cricket as an imperialist tool by those who introdused it and used it to create favourable political heroes.
5. An act by the governing party to divert attention from the long march of lawyers.
6. An act insanity caused by overeating of Macdonald burgers.
7. Conspiracy by Firdouse market traders against the Liberty market.
8. A plot by private security companies to increase their business by causing insecurity in the public.
9. A conspiracy by the manufacturers of bullet proof cars to help their sales to the police department.
10. A conspiracy by Ejaz Butt and company to cancell the cricket tournament to save themselves of a humiliating defeat by the Siri Lankan team.
11. It could be Klutzakaboom trying to live up to his name.
60 Klutzkaboom // Mar 5, 2009 at 12:13 pm
@ Kabool Shah
Kabool, the 11 reasons listed by you seem too less, I guess you need to contact your government and get some more reasons added.
If one brain could come up with 11 reasons I’m sure a nation full of similar people could come up with a lot more.
61 Kabool Shah // Mar 5, 2009 at 12:58 pm
The reasons were not product of my creative brain activity or imagination. (not the first ten) It was hearsay.
The last reason I admit was preposterous and ridiculous for which I apologise with great humilty and regret. :( :)
62 Klutzkaboom // Mar 5, 2009 at 1:12 pm
@ Kabool
Please don’t apologize or regret, I love humor and have great admiration for people who believe “laughter is the best medicine”
Cheers
Klutz
63 Kabool Shah // Mar 5, 2009 at 2:23 pm
@Klutzakaboom
seriously speaking the terrorist escaped without being killed or captured because they could not achieve their objective. They wanted to hold the team hostage and negotiate in their extended terror programe. They had posted small groups of two to three men in different location to cover possible routes that could be taken by the entourage. Some men may also have been hidden to protect those taking forward action from unexpected police. In case any police party arrived they would be taken out or immobolised by these unseen men.
When the bus with the team was out of their clutches they quickly left on their various motorcycles and cars.
Our police is not trained in the same way as the US or the British police. Except for a small portion they are just expected to wear a uniform and hold a gun to create a kind of effect of authority for those in power.
This may work to put down a common man in the street but no match for an informed and trained terrorist out to execute a plan. Or they are trained to handle common criminals.
There may or may not be a rapid response force but it was certainly not there.
Who is to blame? very clearly not the top man who has been there for a few days. It seems to me that the governments of this country do not take terrorist seriously. Typically we always take a short term view. calls for resignation and transfers and suspension from office are heard but after the noise dies down we are back to the same old ways. The attitude is “so what if it happened” and so what if it happens again. Things are the same and will not change
Inspite of so many terrorist acts in Lahore i dont think there is a programe in place to collect and transfer information to a trained rapid response force suitable located in the city.
Why the information about a possible terrorist attack was not taken seriously? there is a very strange reason for this. There is an old trick with our beurocracy. Threat from unknown terrorist has been used from the British times to seclude politicians from the people once they are in power. The trick has been used to the point of becoming a joke. This is the proverbial situation where so many fake calls of wolf have been made that when the wolf really came it was not taken seriously
64 Kabool Shah // Mar 5, 2009 at 2:34 pm
@Klutzakaboom
thanks
cheers
65 Kabool Shah // Mar 6, 2009 at 1:23 pm
@kluzakaboom
It is refreshing to be able to see the funny side of things. One of my favourite commedies is “Bird & Fortune” . You can find it on Youtube
66 Klutz // Mar 6, 2009 at 4:55 pm
@ Kabool Shah
You bet it is. We have enjoyed Pakistani comedians here in India, my personal favorite being Shakeel Siddiqui, his presence of mind and his comic timing - absolutely mind-blowing
Let’s just hope the good times roll back again
Cheers
Klutzkaboom
67 Kabool Shah // Mar 7, 2009 at 2:41 pm
@klutzkaboom
You are in India?
why do you sound so not like an Indian
68 Klutzkaboom // Mar 7, 2009 at 6:00 pm
@ Kabool
Perhaps because there is no much difference between both of us.
Let’s just hope more people realize this fact and pray we’re soon divided by a border that only separates two nations and not it’s people
To be honest, I also had the same question on my mind, cause I had seen many people from both sides throwing abuses at each other, it always got me wondering, why can’t we be friends, finally, I met someone like yourself on this blog and I must say, it’s good to find people who are still interested in building bridges and not burning them
Cheers
Klutz
69 Klutzkaboom // Mar 7, 2009 at 6:03 pm
@ Kabool
…but I would like to know why you felt that way? Would appreciate if you will answer
Cheers
Klutz
70 smiling buddha - pokhran // Mar 7, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Its nice to see healthy relations growing…
keep growing humanity despite terrorism and and shall not allow god to leave pakistan….
sindabad…(ind &Pak)
71 Kabool Shah // Mar 8, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Why you dont sound like an Indian.?
sorry I did not know what I was saying. You see I have never known an Indian so I do not know. The only thing I know is that you love to argue with Pakistanis over who is better than whom and how and that i know from the websites.
72 Kabool Shah // Mar 8, 2009 at 6:29 pm
I love pakistan
I love India
73 Klutzkaboom // Mar 9, 2009 at 10:12 am
@ Kabool
I guess there’s a little bit of “I-am-better-then-you!” attitude in all of us.
Guess that’s what we’re all born with, but if we start using this attitude towards betterment and encouraging each other, it would be more productive and I’m sure we’ll both (India & Pakistan) end up making friends across the border.
Let’s hope this happens and it happens soon
Let’s hope it happens!
Pakistan & India - Jai Ho
74 minhaj // Jun 27, 2009 at 4:07 pm
i think that pakistan will win a war if war is so made.because pakistan army is one of the fundameltal army in the world. also pakistan is not so much conditin of inflation that u describe in earlier but if war is imposed then pakistnais will be better due to sentiments.understand
75 klutz // Jun 27, 2009 at 8:30 pm
I’m surprised someone dug this up from ruins once again.
@Minhaj
Pray that there is no war, trust me neither will be a winner, and both sides will be declared losers. You perhaps don’t understand what goes into it. Remember one thing, if the war happens, and let’s assume it lasts for just a week, the destruction caused by a week of war will be good enough to set us back by at least a decade, the infrastructure will have to be rebuilt, economies will suffer a major blow, we will have to pay more taxes, even basic necessities will become almost unreachable, and most of all, loss of lives, that’s the loss that no amount of money can bring back.
Hope you look at what might be the situation if a war happens, and perhaps it may convince you to educate everyone against a war, the more you can the better it is
Lastly, pray for peace, never ending always living peace, this will help us prosper
Cheers
Klutz
76 Kabool Shah // Jun 30, 2009 at 9:37 pm
@Klutz
You are so right.
77 real man // Jul 2, 2009 at 11:43 pm
for all of indians and west who believe that they have inpowered islam they are just making castles in airif you see history u will find that muslims have never been directly and totally defeated in a war.so beware india and west?
78 Kabool Shah // Jul 4, 2009 at 11:14 am
real man@genius
man. such insight. This is killing me.
79 Kabool Shah // Jul 4, 2009 at 11:16 am
man !!!!!. such insight. This is killing me.
80 klutz // Jul 10, 2009 at 9:38 pm
@ Kabool
Thank you my friend
@ Real Man
Dear friend, no one can empower Islam or any other religion for that matter, yes we can imbibe it and learn from it.
Why do you think anyone wants to defeat or win a war against Islam? Neither the west nor India is fighting a war against Islam or Muslims, together we are fighting a war against inhuman practices, terrorists and people who are against peace. To win this war we do not intend killing people, but our intention is to educate them, make them understand that there is enough room for all of us to coexist peacefully, I’m sure you would also agree on this.
Go ahead my friend, help others get rid of their hatred towards anyone and everyone, you will see there is no scope of war then
Good luck my friend
Cheers
Klutz
81 real man // Jul 13, 2009 at 10:43 pm
my dear brother,
if it is not the war against islam then why all the wars at the current time in islamic countries.
82 Kabool Shah // Jul 20, 2009 at 1:50 pm
@Klutz
I am glad someone started this. Lets be friends. Why dont you tell me more about yourself
83 Kabool Shah // Jul 22, 2009 at 12:18 pm
@real man
The wars have been going on since times immemorial. The wars are also going on in Africa and South america. It is about the the North and the South. It is about the rich countries and the poor countries. It is about the exploiters and the exploited. The Vietnamese had to suffer the worst war crimes by USA and they were not muslims. Chile and Argentina suffered massacres but they were not muslims.
Hugo Chavez of Venezuela is a Chriatian
The Rwandans were not muslims. There are wars in Siera Leone and Ivory Coasts non muslim countries and Charles Taylor is not a muslim.
The biggest US base is in Saudi Arabia, the muslimest of the muslim countries. Doha is a US base and a muslim country.
@Klutzakaboom
make friends not war.
84 Kabool Shah // Jul 23, 2009 at 11:58 am
say something. it is getting lonely in here.
85 klutz // Aug 15, 2009 at 9:40 am
@ Kabool Shah
Very impressive, hope all can see this the way you do, betcha, there will be peace.
All the best
Warmest regards
Klutz
86 klutz // Aug 17, 2009 at 12:57 am
Somebody add something :)
87 khawaja muhammad faisal // Aug 31, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Ae vijay first of all india should pay our money that they not paid to pakistan in 1947 that money was the wright of pakistan.you are rich oooh.bloody indian lets take a war then look what happened.we are not only pakistan,we are nuclar islamic republic pakistan.1962 war you lost from china and 1965 you lost from us. remind it Mr vijay rich india oooohhhhhhhh
88 khawaja muhammad faisal // Aug 31, 2009 at 7:40 pm
we beat russia with afghan.afghan can not win that war.we did not war but can defeat you.if you think that it is a joke then try it u
89 Klutz // Dec 16, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Dear Khawaja,
Why emphasize on war? Who wants a war? Pray there is no war ever
Honestly, I would have loved to reply to your questions, but would only do that when you decide not to look at war as any option
Regards
Klutz
90 INDIA // Dec 30, 2009 at 7:36 pm
A REQUEST TO G-MAN
PLS USE SPELLING CHECKER
MANY THANKS
91 Farrukh // Sep 2, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Salam,
@Klutz
@Kabool Shah
I am glad to see u guys and agree with u. I am unable to understand that why when something bad occurs, we start blaming each others and why these incidents occurs only when India and Pakistan try to solve their issues. Pl z do think about it plz think, who benefits most from the Pakistan-India conflict?
plz stop talking about wars PL Z P L Z we have done enough damage to ourselves :(
May Allah Show us the right path.
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