Source: News wire
Everything is not so rosy in Pakistan. Over the past 60 years of thaw between India and Pakistan, it has always been Pakistan who was belligerent. All its misadventures (including 1947, 1965, 1971 and Kargil) have backfired. It has been continuing to wage war against India through drugs, illegal currency, insurgency and terrorism. However, the entire Pakistani Military and Government seems to be badly shaken this time. In the cover of a tough posture, all is not so well with Pakistan.
India has always been alone in the war against Pakistan with China and USA strongly supporting it, although not directly. In 1971 war, USA was very close to interfering and had sent its infamous 7th fleet to participate. China and USA have always kept the supply lines running.
However, now India is a lot more important to both China and USA. Notwithstanding previous relationship with Pakistan, it is a source of continuous economic strength to both countries.
Apart from economic factors, Pakistan remains exposed to the whole world with the role that it is playing in global terrorism. Jihadi factories have produced terrorists who have waged war against not just India but also USA, China, UK, Spain, etc. The claims of ‘we don’t know anything’ have not gone favourably with anyone. USA is striking at will in NWFP and US agents are all over Pakistan.
Pakistani Military is also in no condition to fight. It is heavily deployed in the Afghan border. Majority of Pakistani Army have soldiers that are of Pathan and Baluch origin. They are strongly against Pakistani Army’s operations in Balochistan and Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). Morale of the fighting forces is extremely weak. In Pakistani Army, XI Corps and XII Corps comprise mostly of Baluchs and Pathans, and are expected to break quickly.
Entire operations of Army are now highly corrupted. There are many businesses controlled by the Army. War is least of the focus.
Modern wars are fought on ‘oil’. Pakistan has not learnt from Kargil debacle, where it had fuel only for a week if a full-scale war broke out. India has built a stockpile of oil and is located in operational areas.
Entire focus of Pakistani Army was to train insurgents. This can help a little in actual war. Al-Khalid Tank or MBT 2000 that is jointly developed by China and Pakistan has not been induced fully. Type 88 tank, that is the mainstay, is over 30 years old in technology. It lacks the agility and firepower of T-90 or Arjun tanks of India. M113 and M109 armoured carriers are based on a 50 year old model.
Main Pakistani cities such as Lahore, Islamabad, etc. are well within the striking distance of Indian forces. Once Indian Army is deployed, Pakistani Army will be more focused on defending. It has only one Strike Corps, Mangla Corps based out of PoK that is also expected to be put in a defensive role.
Pakistani missiles that have been demonstrated in media are imported from North Korea as an exchange to nuclear technology. The source for missiles has dried-up. China has been reluctant to share its missiles. While Pakistan officially claims that it has over 20,000 missiles, the real number is less than 1/10th.
Nuclear stockpile of Pakistan is totally in US control. It will be difficult to exercise the nuclear option without the consent of USA, which is very unlikely.
Pakistan Air Force has no answer to advanced Indian fighters such as Sukhoi-30 MKI and Mirage 2000 that are built with modern avionics and assault systems. The battle for air supremacy will be one way.
Pakistani Navy has many old ships that were purchased through a non-transparent mechanism and what is deployed is, at times, complete junk. Pakistan has claimed to induct few indigenously build submarines with French assistance. It also does not have an aircraft carrier.
In all, if a full-scale war breaks, Pakistan is doomed.
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56 responses so far ↓
1 Shah // Dec 24, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Who wrote this kind of bulshit, you think you can make indians happy with such a low manner of writing, having shit knowledge of the POWER OF PAKISTANY ARMY AND THE MORAL OF PAKISTANY NATION, YOU DON’T KNOW THE HISTOTY OF WAR OF 1965 what Pakistan did with india, If they are so brave why don”t they try to enter only one inch inside Pakistan, and you are talking about the wars and about the GREAT ARMY OF PAKISTAN SHOWING SUCH A DOGMOUTH THROUGH YOUR PEN MEDIA TO SATISFY THE INDIANS FOR THE LITTLE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET.
2 SKY // Dec 25, 2008 at 1:43 am
….Pakistan to be ruined if a war with India happens…TRUE….
Shah….PAKISTAN WAS UNABLE TO DO ANY THING IN LAST THREE WARS….
3 Haji Muhammad // Dec 25, 2008 at 3:55 am
Well written in the favour of indians but lacks in reality and truth. The writer has been disillusioned from its inferiority complex of india as a very big country.
Pakistan Zindabad
4 raza // Dec 25, 2008 at 11:55 am
pakistan 3 bar har chuka hai .. phir bhi saloo ko akal nahi aaye
iss baar war hui toh alllah tala bhi iss pakitan ko khatam kar dega
pakistan is a migrane for the world
5 PAKISTAN WILL KICK THE LIVEING DAY LIGHT OUT OF INDIA A FACT // Dec 25, 2008 at 2:21 pm
INDIA IS TRYING TO BE THE SUPER POWER OF ASIA HELPET BY ISRAEL AND THE U.S THIS DREAM OF BECOMMING A SUPER POWER WILL NEVER BE ACHIVED DEW TO INDIANS BAD INTENTIONS FOR SOUTH ASIA AND ASIA.CHINA AND PAKISTAN ARE AND WILL KEEP AN EYE ON INDIA AND THE U.S INDIAN ARE ALSO BECOMMING A LAP DOG OF THE WEST FOR WESTRIN BAD AND EVIL AGENDAS IF INDIA EVER ATTACKS PAKISTAN THAT WILL SET INDIA BACK 15 YEARS PAKISTAN HAS GOT NOTHING TO LOSE ALSO INDIA TO SORT ITS ACT OUT AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANTS OF CHINA PAKISTAN ASIA AND WESTRIN AGENDAS FOR IT INDIA IS GETING USED FOR SOMEBADYS INTERST WHICH WILL AFFECT INDIA IN THE FUTCHER
6 HOW CAN YOU SAY PAKISTAN LOST 3 WARS WHICH IS A PURE LIE MADE UP // Dec 25, 2008 at 2:36 pm
INDIA SHOULD NOT GO TO WAR WITH PAK FOR ITS OWN GOOD THE OUT COME WILL BE DEATH AND DISTRUCATION ON BOTH SIDES WITH OUT ANY WINNERS THE BIGEST WINNER WILL BE THE WEST WHO MADE AFRICA MID EAST LATIN AMERICA A MESS INDIA AND PAK WILL BE NEXT AND THAT BE BAD FOR SOUTH ASIA AND ASIA
7 INDIA AND PAKISTAN ARE STUPID IDIOTS // Dec 25, 2008 at 2:51 pm
whay india and pakistan are fighting? who for and what for? what is the point? what will they achive? what will be the out come of war? how will it affect you and your familys? war will bring more poverty on both side? whay think of war? this chain of war and fog of war over both nations should end now or els there will be no more india and no more pakistan left
8 GOVINDER // Dec 25, 2008 at 3:04 pm
what makes us the indians think pakistan will be doomed.pakistan is a nation that safes best for last there for it could have weapands that will shock us all .pakistan might be poor but not weak as we might like to think of pakistan yes india is big country we have more weapounds but still pakistan as learnd alot over the 60 years you just never know what there streath is
9 ALI // Dec 25, 2008 at 3:08 pm
PAKISTAN INDIA NO WAR NO HATE ONLY LOVE
10 pakis problem // Dec 25, 2008 at 4:37 pm
WELL THE TRUTH IS: only the person who has internal fear shout that he will kill the enemy. in this case pakistan is always shoutin at india that it will fight. one paki scientist says he will fire nulclear in the cities of india. how stupid and incapable is he?
remember india never used those words. even all the paistanis have agreed that if india rages a war pakistan will be nowhere on the map. JIHADIS WILL BE FIRST TO REACH THIER HEAVEN WITH ALL 100 VIRGIN GIRLS WEAITING FOR THEM FOR FK.
INSANE PAKISTAN GOVT AND PEOPLE. YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE EARTH.
11 the world // Dec 27, 2008 at 1:42 pm
just wondering….if paki military is really that strong why cant they stop US from making missile strike’s every 3rd day…..aren they invading your land openly. Why arent you doing anything about that…..
every time US drone’s make a strike paki govt makes an official complain with them and now they have simply given up…..
although the other wars can be argued upon but in 1971 didnt Paki army officially accept defeat? YES THEY DID!!
and I thing pakistan’s economic and military situation was a way lot better back then as compared to today when your economy was about to go bankrupt hadnt you got the aid from IMF.
the only thing that is giving pakistan hope is that they have nuclear weapons…..but tell me, do you really think thats a viable option?
Its clearly not…..if India attacks pakistan will have a limited life before thet accept defeat. The only reason India isnt going with it is cos the war will also take up 10 years back.
India wants to see itself as a world power one day and not like pakistan who have made Kashmir, militancy etc the sole purpose of their life…..open any online pakistani news channel(for eg dawn) and all the news are regarding India, kashmir, taliban, militancy etc etc…..not a single article on things like economy, health care, Industrialization etc…..just open any Indian news channel and see the difference…..
12 Ken // Dec 27, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Guyz, I would like to tell you this is the fact.If India & Pak goes for a war.Pak will be over, it will be end of a Nation.Pakistan can’t meet its own daily needs & are begging.So how can pakistan make a mistake to destroy itself.
India too will suffer, its economy will slow down, but it has strong foundation & robust economy & the indians who live outside will bail India out.So the traget of Indian be a Super Power will be delayed another decade but surely & certianly in next 20-25 years it will be the top three power of the world in terms of economic growth & military might.
So my friends in pakistan don’t be in illiussion . Ur politicians r juss bull shitting & giving big talks.But the west knows the fact.
So my advise to dear friends in pakistan is to eliminate all jehadis’ , stop funding them & throw out all those who r wanted in Bombay attack. Also, mind it take Indians seriously & they r very patient.If they launch an attack, there will be one nation which will join India in this war to hit pakistan badly.Guess who ?? no USA !!!
13 suhail // Dec 27, 2008 at 11:27 pm
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY pakistan CANNOT TAKE ACTION AGAINST THE terrorists.
It is the well corrupted place in the world dominated by jihadeees and filled with liers.
Everything teaching there in schools are against reality and full of blunders and the govt is shaping a sceptical person.
Talk to any paki for 10 minutes,, you will understand that he lacks lot of things and u will realise that human needs 10% more to survive in this world and otherwise a suicide.
and paki is accepting suicide by a jihadi.
comming to the point,,
if war happens ,, It is true that both India and pak will use nuclear weapons and pakistan will suffer more and finally pakistan will get scattered into 5 parts . i mean that UN will come in picture and ultimately pak will get divided into 5 new nations based on the provinces like sind ,Panjab , etc…
on the same end , india will get forced to separate kashmir from india and that will be the part of the one nation out of 5 getting created by UN.
india’s dream of becomming largest economy will get delayed by 25 years (it is not true 10 years) .But india will become strong as a nation within the country. it will become a true religion less country.
14 Shah // Dec 28, 2008 at 10:45 pm
hei you indians dont let me open my mouth. you say that Pakistani are terorist. here is the list for you. WHO KILLED THE MAHATMAGHANDI. A HINDO. FIRST BLAMED THE MUSLIMS OF INDIA 2- WHO WENT TO THE GOLDEN TEMPLE TOKILL INNOCENT SINGS AND THEIR GOROS (THE HINDOS) 3- WHO KILLED THE THOUSANDS OF SIKHS IN PUNJAB WERE HINDO ARMY. 4WHO KILLED THE RANJEEV GHANDI A SINGH IN REVENG OF THE GOLDEN TEMPLE. 5- WHO KILLED THE INDRA GHANDI A SINGH INREVENG OF THE GOLDEN TEMPLE. 6- WHO KILLED THE THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT CHILDREN AND WOMEN OLD PEOPLE IN KASHMIR.7- WHO KILLED THE THOUSANDS OF MUSILMS I GUJRAAT AND AHMEDABAD (THEHINDOS) 8- WHO DESROYED THE OLD MOSQUE AND KILLED SO MANY INDIAN MUSLIMS (THE HINDOS) (- WHO BOMBD THE TRAIN FULL WITH MUSLIMS (THE HINDOS ) YOU THINK THE WORLD IS BLIND.THE HUMEN RIGHTS OF SIKHS MUSLIM AND CHIRISTENSAND MANY OTHER MINORTIES THE ZAATPAAT. DONT YOU FEEL SHAME CALLING OTHERTERRORIST. YOU BASTERD LOOK YOURSELF FIRST YOU YOU CHAMYAAR KI ULLAD.YOU CALL YOURSELF CIVILIZED EDUCATED PEACEFUL NATION. 10% OF YOU ARE RICH REST 90% DYING WITH HUNGER AND AIDS LOOK YOUR STREETS FULL WITH COW SHIT AND PIG JERMS AND YOU TRY TO COMPETE THE OTHER NATIONS. GO AND WASH YOURSELF IN YOUR GANGA AND THEN TALK ABOUT OTHERS.
15 pakis-begged, borrowed, stolen weapons // Dec 29, 2008 at 1:06 am
the world is full of pakistan bred terrorists. dont try to deviate the situation as your govt always does. the question is about those ten chutia terrorists from pakistan.including you its eleven. you pig eating country why the fk are u after our internal problems. open your news how many innocent ppl getting killed. how many women are suffering with your filthy laws yet you guys go out for illegal prostitution. what the world like is your intervention in other countries matters you chuthia saaales. mind your fkn virgin hunt business within your own territory. shame on you gandha piggy smell shits
16 Shah // Dec 29, 2008 at 3:25 am
HEI YOU TAMIL KI ULAAD KALIAY RIALITY GIVES PAIN YOU MOTHERFUCKER SON OF DIRTY MACHAR DONKEYS FACE YOU BIG LYER WHERE ARE THE TENS YOUR GIGAS KISI KUTAY KI BACHAY PAN KHA KER LAND CHOSNAY WALAY SHUT UP YOUR FACE YOU ORPHAN GROW UP INA CHURCH ON CHARITY OF OTHERS YOU POOR DIRT EATER.
17 pakis-begged, borrowed, stolen weapons // Dec 29, 2008 at 5:15 am
fk u jihadi illegal immigrant of a son of illegal parent pig eaters. the 11 jihadis(including u son of a bitch) have common mother with 11 fathers. u ugly son of a pakoda selling lafanga of faridkot.y the fk you supporting paki. did they offer you a takeaway in isi hq/ army??”no visa for paki people in future” only way is to lik pigs ass. pichi kuthalo na modda. saale paki lanjala pukulo na modda. what the fk nuke you have di your own grave. y paki army is digging thier own graves near borders. u know the answer. u dirty piggy smelling cunts of the forbidden paki dirty land.
18 Shah // Dec 30, 2008 at 3:08 am
Hei you coli you dont give the visa you are a simple chamyaar, who are you, you are nothing just a choot likker. Go to hell. pichi aloo kuchaloo kaloo,fuck you with your shit language you snake eater. you naloo bhaloo lund ke taloo stupid dummy shit cleaner.
19 Ken // Dec 31, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Shah, I was laughing when u said to be u have a Mughal background.The language u use seems ur from gutter.
Shah, why u guyz don’t make a noise about Americans hitting inside ur country.U have to accept that ur a begging nation now.
U can’t compare urself to India. It has poors, but mind it there r poors here in USA too & all over the world. U can’t refute the fact that India has changed a lot in last 10years & its a Power in the World. Lets wait for another 10years & u will see its Military Might reaching the top five nations .
So u guyz, change ur nation or else the world will spit on u. Its unfortunate that India has a neighbour like pakistan, which has a new name global power for export of terrorist & terrorism.
20 SMILING BUDDHA(ICBM INDIA) // Dec 31, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Ken ,
what you say is exactly true.
pakistanis never trying to accept the facts
“shah”
you no need wait for indian missile hitting your head.
you will die by your poor politicians and your broher terrorist.
no need india to attcack pakistan, you will kill among your self like cannibals and die
hahaha…
we will take Pok with india witout a gun shot…
dont compair a ditch (pakistan )with a holy ganga(india). we are asahmed to have you as a neighbour…very very poor human values…
the whole world is spitting on you, but you whipe saying we are great….
pakistan is disgrace to asia….
21 oal // Jan 7, 2009 at 5:37 am
I do not understand: a handful of terrorists–not Muslim, something else–may be traced back to Pakistan, and, suddenly, all of Pakistan and India are ready for war?
Let that go.
For a handful of lost men, all need not make themselves lost.
22 klutzkaboom // Jan 8, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Shah, by closing your eyes to facts you can’t stop them from happening, I’m sure you’ll retaliate with more filth in language and more insignificant inputs.
To be honest, what’s said in the article above does seem to have been well researched, hence stop trying to convince yourselves that if a war happens Pakistan has any chance of winning it.
The future of Pakistan is in your hands and other such people who wish to see Pakistan grow, economically your nation is probably at it’s knees, if you look towards it’s growth rather than concentrate on Jihadhi’s and other such elements, I’m sure you’ll give a wonderful future to Pakistan and it’ll soon be a nation that will be self-reliant
Anyways, the choice is yours either take necessary steps to bring about the change, or wait for future to take care of it for you
Cheers
Klutzkaboom
23 Ken // Jan 10, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Shah, shame on u. Ur language is pathetic. Only a paki guy like u can use such language. U talk about muslim country. U don’t know india has more muslims than ur country.The issue is not of muslim, hindu or christian.Its terrorism, ur an exporter of terrorist. I have several muslim friends who r indian & they never complain abt india. Why u guyz got prob., why don’t u look into in ur own country.
24 KAMRAN // Jan 11, 2009 at 9:20 pm
well i have been reading you all guys..
i want to say something that s why this whole world think pakistan can be destroyed easily??
1st of all its a muslim state.
God always has been helping muslims.
frm JANG E UHAD till yet.
when the fire been opend for pakistan our country was wounded by independance.we were’nt stable mentaly,physical and financialy and we faced war..
now the time is not same and our nation is awaken now..
its not 1947 its 2009.
ok if we dont have enough weapons..but we have brave soldiers.we know how to die with proud.
so thats why guys stop thinking that its assure that pakistan will be doomed.
its a old saying..
silencer can be a big booster…
25 oal // Jan 11, 2009 at 10:15 pm
As I study conflict, I see this all of the time: a relative handful of egotistical zealots may lead millions into the kind of war that changes nothing. In the past, which may be as close as last year–we each find our way of telling future from present from past–an example of one, whether Hindu assassin or Islamic militant, might have stood for all, but not today: we can see this world as it is and for ourselves, not as signaled by hotheads or directed or told about it by others.
Plainly, India and Pakistan both have more problems with militant bands and related internal politics and suffering than they do with one another in total, and it would seem the governments of both are addressing exactly that.
26 Smiling Buddha -Pokhran // Jan 12, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Please dont compair india’s development with pakistan. It really a imbalanced situation that you cannot compair both nations…in realtion to anything politics, economy , military, sports,
especially women rights….
please dont mistake me - i am not degrading pakistan…rather i feel worried they try to fight with weak profile to a huge giant
its time develop the nation and not time to think of threaten indian using military power. even thought military power is very low to afford it…
@kamran
kamram who asked you to die….pakistan needs you for its development…why do you loose your presious life just to fight with India.
do you know how many PAF killing your own people in waziristan and other tribe regions…why dont you address them…..
i dont know if pakistan children are born with a hatred to india or they are wrongly preched by elders sowing seeds of hatred and war.
in 1947 you climed a separate state from hindustan, so you are given….
in kargil war, you have crossed the line of control to capture indian belonged kashmir…
my dear its all started by you…..and you were paid for that…..
think of terrorist, weak politicians and other foreign military powers raiding in pakistan ……first find a solution for that……
then you can think of India….
because indian is not a threat now but many miseries happening inside your country ….look at them first ….
as long as you dont have a solid govenment, you cannot develop, control and command, now everyhting is messed up in pakistan.. it pity that the militants are key deciding factors to form govenment in pakistan.
i can understand the agony of pakistan citizen but you cannot blindly show them to india. it will rather produce bad effects like in 1971.( this time it will be baluchistan)…
take is easy budy…
27 Klutzkaboom // Jan 25, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Hhaahah… Sha… nice joke, I love it! You poor dudes… India has a surprise for your… Stay tuned to your idiot boxes, cause the Indian surprise is coming….
By the way, don’t forget to kiss your folks goodnight ever night before you go to bed, cause Allah has plans for you……
28 khan // Feb 1, 2009 at 1:32 pm
is the person stupid who wrote this article???
Everyone knows that there wont be a war cuz both of the countries are nuclear bombs.
sometimes I myself think that naitazis’ people are stupid who write these stupid articles cuz they should use there minds before writing anything!!!
“Allah malik hai”
29 allah- malik // Feb 1, 2009 at 5:25 pm
allah, how can you compare this insane pakistan with india. pakistan is helping taliban and setting up more terrorist mnc’s and billing US for the expenses. India developing world class softwares and billing the globe for the good cause. may this insane paki’s be buried deep under the soil with indian bombs. those who love war have never one on earth. may almight allah kiss and love india. may the almighty bury these illegal paki bastards.
30 Klutzkaboom // Feb 24, 2009 at 11:17 am
Blog revived!
31 Farmaan // Feb 27, 2009 at 10:30 pm
because no one want to
32 Klutzkaboom // Mar 4, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Going by what happened in Lahore, I guess Pakistan will be destroyed by enemies within. Just hope, this time around, Mr 10 Percent will not go around telling the world that they are non-state actors!
33 oal // Mar 4, 2009 at 8:05 pm
They were “non-state actors”, the same as in Somalia and elsewhere.
Pakistan is a magnificent and complex country, and those who would burn its businesses and schools and stall its progress in agriculture, democratic government, economic development, education, and health represent a small, malign, and unpopular but potent force within. By way of contrast, the elected government in Swat, for example, has been the Awami National Party, a “worldly” government that would be familiar to and welcomed in politics throughout most of the world, including India.
The want of war heralds war, but most in this world want peace and with it freedom and well-being.
The forms of warfare pursued across the Islamist front–sometimes the term “Kalashnikov Sharia” applies (and I got that from this site)–has come down hardest on innocents. IRIN–readers may look up the data as this site seems unfriendly to URL’s–suggests fighting in Pakistan’s frontier has killed at least 400 people and displaced thousands. The threat from “enemies within” rings true, but they are not representative of Mr. Zardari’s government or any other element of state-oriented political power with the possible exception of rogue ISI holdouts.
Governments in Islamabad and Mogadishu both have been unable to address the methods of war learned and pursued by bands of irregulars, and that includes methods of funding and arming as well as what happens in fields and streets.
Pakistan is not alone with its suffering.
34 Salim Ali Shah // Mar 5, 2009 at 2:01 am
This War Is Terror Not Islam… I Am My self is Indian Sunni Muslim , and proud of it…. The Fact is There is More Muslim lives In India than Pakistan…
I don’t Have any problem Living In India.. I think I got Better Life… I am Against//.. Terro And Jihad…
I Pray To Allah Help India and Usa..
35 Klutzkaboom // Mar 5, 2009 at 10:34 am
@ Oal
They were “non-state actors”, the same as in Somalia and elsewhere.
I don’t think they were non-state actors, if you see the videos you would realize after having attacked Sri Lankan team, the terrorists have just walked away.
The security was so lax, not one terrorist was shot
Pakistan team was delayed on purpose so that they would not be there at time when attacks took place, and the person responsible for their delay has not gone missing
The videos clearly show shots being fired by the terrorists, but none being fired at them
——You still think they were non-state actors????——
The attacks were very much planned by Pakistan with involvement of Pakistan government. To be honest, they do not care about sport being affected, the fact is that they wanted to show to United States that they are also being affected by terror, so that their begging bowls don’t go empty.
You may think otherwise if you like, but your thoughts will not change the truth that is there for all to see
36 oal // Mar 5, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Reports say six police were killed in the attack, an indicator that the attackers walked away because they had done away with the defense against them and had made their point.
However, any who study Pakistan will come across phrases similar to this one: “Pakistan gets money for defense and humanitarian needs by threatening to shoot itself in the head.” That’s my paraphrase, but the core is not mine (for reference, one might mention both Ahmed Rashid’s _Descent Into Chaos: The United States and the Failure of Nationl Building in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Central Asia_ (Viking, 2008) and Stephan Phillip Cohen’s _The Idea of Pakistan_ (Washington, D.C.: Brookings Institution Press, 2004).
The director of the U.S.-based Federal Bureau of Investigation is in Pakistan today (”Attack on Sri Lanka cricket team: a sign that Pakistan is unraveling?” Ben Arnoldy, The Christian Science Monitor, March 5, 2009): that invitation and support too argue against state sponsorship of terrorism–but not internal division, fragmentation, and weakness. So here is a question for you: whatever their distractions this day, what path and countermeasure should President Zardari and General Kayani pursue this day?
A brief review of the cost of the Islamist Front in Pakistan should also serve to underscore the divisive nature of the warfare.
In a recent wrap-up, the UN has reported that approximately 800,000 of Swat Valley’s 1.8 million residents have fled the fighting in that region (”Pakistan: Origins of the violence in Swat Valley”, IRIN, Lahore, February 26, 2009); more than 170 girls’ schools “have been torched or bombed”; in 2007 alone in Swat, some 400 civilians had killed in the violence and 1,000 or more homes destroyed.
To this point, the perpetuation of multiple enmities on Pakistan’s part (with Israel, the United States, India, etc.) has served to manipulate a population 50 percent illiterate in linked support of the government and military. By turns, Hindu nationalism promoted by the RSS and spiked here and there by firestarters (possibly Abhinav Bharat, maybe Vishva Hindu Parishad–Indian security seems interested in them, but calls are well beyond my scope) have contributed to the casting of sustaining of that concept. The real life version of Orwell’s perpetual war has kept coffers full and a lot of people in power, but that old stance would seem to be turning out more public relations–truly, pandering to Pakistanis’ worst sensibilities–than state strategy, provided Pakistanis wish for a modern state.
Perhaps that wish for a modern state is a very big “if” although most know the benefits of Mutually Assured Tolerance far outweigh those of destruction.
Across the board, violence rooted in political and religious dogma seems by nature conservative and tied to the perception of social relevance of those who pursue such ends.
Those who would move forward may not have entirely gotten the message that the violence promoted by terrorists has been made their problem specifically, or that governments and militaries need their energies, influence, ideas, and support to unify and more comprehensively organize and operationalize their efforts.
You mentioned “The security was so lax, not one terrorist was shot.”
Again, the death toll was eight–six police, two civilians.
That’s not lax security.
That’s a lack of wherewithal.
Clearly, attending to the defense of events and of security assets by providing them with armed details is not an adequate response to these attacks.
37 Klutzkaboom // Mar 13, 2009 at 11:25 am
@ Oal
Quote:
You mentioned “The security was so lax, not one terrorist was shot.”
Again, the death toll was eight–six police, two civilians.
Unquote
Perhaps you misunderstood me, I never said there were no causalities, I said no terrorists were killed or injured, loss of civilian life or life of policemen is indeed very tragic and should not have happened
38 oal // Mar 13, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Throughout history: where societies have become deeply fissured, there has been war.
Whether willing or not, and I think not, Pakistan is not alone in hosting terrorists nor puzzling what to do about it (and up in Swat Valley where the front has rendered impotent an elected government, the Awami National Party, the state would seem to be doing poorly).
Islam and much of the rest of the world has learned a great deal about terrorism, its motivation, its cultural authorities, and its idols: what have the same learned about themselves? What must they learn about themselves?
39 babar saeed dubai // Aug 27, 2009 at 3:06 pm
truth is pakistan is a hypocrite nation…the nation among themselves are hypocrite,liers,cheats,fraudulant etc…its a BIIIIIIIIIIIG SHAAAAAAAAAME for this damned nation who thinks it represents islam,but the fact is that this nation has destroyed the image of islam and itself as being the most downtrodden nation..they skyrocket prices of even small commodities in the month of ramadan sucking the blood of even their own people…how much more can a nation give such an unethical example…and the truth and the fact is that pakistan,in every department is a failed and incapable state..it claims big stuff and all tht bullshit but still when it comes to money,they sell their mothers and daughters for tht to the sheikhs of emirates..every department is corrupt..economically it has collapsed but the govt is trying to hide it and the nation thinks tht they are still on track..well the fact is that they are way off track.If they really and practically follow islam and its rules of humanity,things might get reversed..pakistani nation can’t digest these facts coz they dont have the IQ for tht..these are the bitter realities and facts which they cant digest..when a person realises mistakes they learn from it..but this nation hasnt for over 60 years..basically its the dog and a testicle sucker of the west and the sheikhs..babarsaeed2004@hotmail.com
40 pakistani thinker // Sep 15, 2009 at 12:12 am
‘hum to dobay hain tum ko bhi le dobain gay sanam’
41 Nawaz // Sep 15, 2009 at 8:34 pm
“Pakistan Air Force has no answer to advanced Indian fighters such as Sukhoi-30 MKI and Mirage 2000 that are built with modern avionics and assault systems. The battle for air supremacy will be one way.”
I’m not entirely sure about that; Indian fighter jets seem to fall out of the sky every few weeks. Pakistan on the other hand has been working with China on something that could be considered indigenous.
But Pakistanis should not feel a false sense of security as we know that India is technologically very advanced too.
“Pakistani Navy has many old ships that were purchased through a non-transparent mechanism and what is deployed is, at times, complete junk. Pakistan has claimed to induct few indigenously build submarines with French assistance. It also does not have an aircraft carrier.”
Although useful, an aircraft Carrier is not necessary in a war between the two nations as they share a very long border.
“In all, if a full-scale war breaks, Pakistan is doomed.”
So too is India. And that would suit many other nations, but not Pakistan and nor India.
Granted we will have our differences, not agreeing on everything, but it is in our interest to seek lasting peace - resolve the Kashmir issue (make it an independent entity with both India and Pakistan providing security for it, and not allowing any other nation to base it’s armed forces (and definitely not the UN) there)…and I don’t mean by sending some of our beghairats to participate in Bollywood films.
42 anil // Oct 9, 2009 at 3:00 am
hmm…..i read this article and your comments also..i want to ask many questions to my Pakistani friends.
1. where do u get so much money to feed the terrorists? you know pak friends,i am jealous of your country as ur country can spend a lot for terrorists. if u can give me some money out of that i can feed some poor people in india.
2. all know pakistan is cricket lover. so why did u attack on cricketers? i think your terrorists don’t watch cricket.
3. why do u allow American forces to attack missiles on ur tribals? this is just like any outsiders enter into ur home and misbehave with ur mother.
4. every time you people say” allah will help us”. so,u r wrong. there is a common saying “Allah helps those who help themselves”. so,stop making noise.Allah is not any ordinary person,don’t pronounce this name everywhere ,in the media or in any portal. Allah doesn’t discriminate among Hindu or Muslim.Allah knows who is going in right direction.
4.not only USA,but all most all countries have been playing role in your country.some times we think you have many presidents,like BUSH,HU,BROWN.
keep ur identity.
5.you should realize ur faults from past. you have been defeated 4 times by indians.so,come up with a new plan which will hurt us much.
6.due to ur country, ur bright students have been facing problem in getting visa.but nothing happens to indian students. every country begs us for our students.
7.everytime you people want proofs. how many proofs do you want? so,please commit that you are the sponsors of terrorists.i think you have much guts to commit that.
but don’t forget to give me some from ur terrorist fund,i want to have a gud life for me and my people and i am not ashamed of to beg u for this.
43 anmol // Oct 9, 2009 at 3:13 am
brothers…the asia equation has been changed. few years ago,USA was on your side.but now you know,what is the reality? similarly now china is in your side.one day,we will resolve our issues with them and then you can imagine,what will happen.by the way, we are not worried for china much,because if they do any action,whole equation in the world will be disturbed.
so,give up ur interest in apples of kashmir or if you are interested in resolving kashmir issue,then we don’t step back to resolve the pak occupied kasmir issue.perhaps pakistani have forgotten that some part of kashmir lies in their country and it is also disputed. wait for 30-40 yrs,when your arab countries will be running out of oil. this time also,they are more friendly towards us as we have more business with them than urs. the way world forwards towards green technology, day will come all countries would divide total middle east among them. so,stop making emotional statements like”allah will help pakistan”. face reality…but this writer seems to have immense weakness towards india.
44 Nawaz // Oct 9, 2009 at 1:07 pm
ANIL,
I don’t have much time today nor do I normally take the bait from flame-baiters, but I will give you a brief response because there are one or two points that we might agree on.
1) India too has large amounts of money for terrorists - look towards the North Eastern areas, or perhaps the South. You could ask them for money.
2) You need to keep up-to-date with breaking news. This was an attack by either the enemies of Pakistan, or by enemies of the Sri Lankan’s. Both scenarios are plausible. It is strange that the Lahore attack took place shortly after the outrage in India (I still understand why the “terrorists” were based in an Israeli ‘guest house’).
3) Yes, the first part - why US comes in and bitch-slaps Pakistan almost on a daily basis, that is a question that ask too.
4) The Muslims. Those that are genuine are on the right path. The hypocrites and those that are non-Muslims are not.
4) (the second one!) Not quite. There is a social structure in Pakistan. At the top are people from countries that pay the rich and affluent people of Pakistan (e.g., Bush, Brown etc - they are the ones that really run Pakistan).
Then we have the imbeciles that call themselves the leaders of Pakistan - the people that the population think they vote for.
Then we have the lower levels of this social structure that includes that vast majority of the population - the sheeple.
5) Your numbering of the points that you make has demonstrated your limited ability with numbers, this point futher illustrates that.
6) Google “Indian students Australia”. This should show you much Indian students are loved abroad.
7) Like the Western governments, it would appear that you too do not believe in innocent until proven guilty.
With regard to the begging, have some self-respect will you. India, like Pakistan is a contradictory society - there are millions of people that have money to burn, yet you have many more millions that are is such dire poverty that they have to live off scraps.
Anil, rather than wasting time flame-baiting, your energy would be better spent actually helping the poor in your neighbourhood. You might not be able to help every Indian, but you might be able to make a difference to some of the ones that live near you.
Peace.
Nawaz. Angry Man Of Pakistan Origin.
ps: Strange how someone by the name of Anmol posts a message 13 minutes after you do, and has a similar message and writing style to yours…what a coincidence! ;)
45 Klutz (Klutzkaboom) // Oct 15, 2009 at 12:50 am
Dear Nawaz,
I would like to put forward a few questions, provided your answers are unbiased and well-researched
I would appreciate if you would read a few of my posts above, I’m sure you will find them aimed at peace, hence would appreciate if you could respond so that I may post my queries here
I read your posts above, I generally find you to be a very sensible person who has a very open mind, this certainly helps in looking at the issue at hand more closely and devising a solution accordingly. However, I read a statement from you above which to be honest can not be expected to come from a person like yourself, I have pasted your statement below with my comments, hopefully you will see what I mean and respond
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4) The Muslims. Those that are genuine are on the right path. The hypocrites and those that are non-Muslims are not.
Unquote
You say those who are non-muslims are not on the right path, I disagree with you, because I feel religion is a very personal thing, immaterial of which religion you follow, I’m sure you can be right or wrong.
I do apologize if my above statement may have disturbed you
Best regards
Klutz
46 Nawaz // Oct 15, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Hi Klutz (Klutzkaboom),
Yes, that statement of mine. The mistake was mine, I can see how you could interpret the statement as you did. My fault was that I used the term “right”, instead of “true”.
To help explain, we first need to understand what I mean by the “True path”. I am a Muslim. Islam defines me (or at least some of my actions - a lot of us have failings in some manner or other).
Therefore by default, I believe that the true (also could use the term “right” in this context) path is the one that will lead to heaven.
Those (Muslims) that follow the teachings of Islam will be on this true path, and will (by the will of Allah) end up reaching the ultimate destination, i.e., heaven.
Your interpretation. Yes, you are correct, there have been and will be occasions where Muslims have been wrong, and non-Muslims (and even hypocrites) have been right. However, that was not the point of my statement, it was merely in the context raised by the original poster to whom I responded.
Digressing slightly, I have gone through the posts and read your messages as you had requested.
Let me quote one of your messages:
===QUOTE===
“Klutzkaboom // Jan 25, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Hhaahah… Sha… nice joke, I love it! You poor dudes… India has a surprise for your… Stay tuned to your idiot boxes, cause the Indian surprise is coming….
By the way, don’t forget to kiss your folks goodnight ever night before you go to bed, cause Allah has plans for you……”
===UNQUOTE===
I am a bit troubled by this one.
Peace.
Nawaz. Angry Man Of Pakistani Origin.
47 muslim and being a human: // Nov 8, 2009 at 1:34 am
Aoa, to all my dear country man n my neighboring friends………. why all of u thinking n talking that both of the countries will fight n Pakistan will b destroy…….. why don’t u think that all of them r first human…..n i think there is no religion in this world who will not favor humanity or who never give stress over humanity…….. everybody has their own way of life, how they want to spend its not a matter of interfere……why don’t both of the countries make a friendship..war is necessary for life or its a part of this world…….why all r not live with unity, love n peace. which i think everybody want …….the difference between Muslims n Hindus is that Muslims worship or pray to ALLAH n Hindus worship to Bhagwan …….rest of the things r same….both r human both have common sense both have same needs of life……… its not braveness that u destroy once peace n life, just to get power……i think all will know better that more power n money make a human beast…. hope all of u will understand better……think positive INSHALLAH will get positive…its the promise of ALLAH ……. wish there is peace love unity faith n discipline all over the world…..plz stop fighting nobody get anything from destruction of other lives…….
48 Alex // Nov 24, 2009 at 7:32 am
To shah,dude der no need 2 get frustrated and passing remarks that are senseless.just stick to the facts.and the matter of the fact is that pakistan never admits its mistakes.the whole world knows that pakistan cannot do anything on his own, your weapons are frm china with made in china tag on them,you just survive on fucking donation given by america.and your president that motherfucker who is called mr ten percent sucks obama’s dick.all you pakistanis are terrorists you fuck ur sisters wid same pleasure as you fuck ur mother from heeramandi.you bunch of bhainchods.your country will burn to ashes by ur very own maderchod talibani chootiyas.bhadwe ki nasal.
49 Ijaz ul Haq // Dec 5, 2009 at 4:19 am
Come on guys, how are you saying this about Pakistan.
Yes it is right that Pakistan is poor; it is right that Pakistan has poor leadership; it is right that Pakistan is facing Taliban’s problem but you know that it is blessing for India that we don’t have a leader. India is 3 times big in size and 9 times in population than Pakistan but Pakistan always stands equal.
The day when Pakistan will have a good leader Pakistan will be one of the most advanced countries in the world.
This is a fact that Pakistani is superior than that of India in terms of technology.We have better atomic & hydrogen weapons, better ballistic missile system and Pakistan has developed Cruise missile.
Does India has cruise missile???
Pakistan has world’s best Air Force which have 100% strike rate against Israel.
Pakistan develops world’s lightest & fastest Tanks named “Al-Khalid”
It is Pakistan who ended COLD WAR and destroyed Russia and torn her into pieces.It is Pakistan’s power. Without Pakistan, US can do nothing.
Pakistan’s ISI is world’s finest intelligence agency.
In 1967 war between Israel and Arabs, it was Pakistani air force which destroyed Israeli air planes at 100% success rate/hit rate.
Again in 1974 when Israel started threatening Syria, Jordan & Egypt, it was Pakistani air force which retreated Israel.
In Muslim world Pakistani air force is the only air force which hut and destroyed Israeli fighter planes.
It is on record that in 1998 when Pakistan was going to test its nuclear weapons, Israel and India planned to attack on Pakistan for surgical strike to destroy its nuclear capability and Israeli fighter jet planes were deployed on Srinagar (Kashmir) airport.India and Israel jammed the radar system of Pakistan and attacked but in spite of that, again, Pakistani fighters fought bravely and destroyed one Israeli air plane and retreated the adversaries.
It is a record that Israel could never hit a single Pakistani air plane and Pakistan has 100% hit rate.
This is Pakistan.
Pakistan is a potential power that the world knows. But the main problem is its political system and its politicians.US supports only those politicians which are dishonest and selfish.However a revolution is emerging in Pakistan.Now the youth has different views and ideas from their ancestors and we are working hard and definitely it will take time to throw politicians out of it like “mr.ten percent”, and it is written………………
If ever ever Pakistan finds a Good leader it will become a super power and this is the fact from which big power are threaten.
This is Pakistan…………..
50 No one // Dec 11, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Well…as a matter of fact, the whole world is doomed. We all are selfish maggots fighting with each other by creating false ideas of division, be it nationality, religion, statehood or whatever.
What started in Iran, the fire of doom has engulfed almost all of the muslim world. Now UAE is going down the gutters. But soon even hindu and christian and buddhist and non-religious countries, will also burn in the same fire.
It’s no doomsday prediction. It’s our reality. We are so willing to fight others when some body says something against our nationality or religion. But we don’t give a shit about poor hungry people in our nationality and religion. A hindu doesn’t give a damn about other poor hungry hindu. Same hold true for a muslim and christian and so on.
Our feeling of nationality only awakens when some one teases our own ego.
The thing is that now there is no going back. God has made up his mind. Just keep watching because that’s all we can do now.
51 No one // Dec 11, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Sorry, I meant Iraq in place of Iran
52 oal // Dec 11, 2009 at 8:26 pm
No one - I thought I would leave this thread alone for its showcasing the arrogance, xenophobia, and Judeophobia that perfectly fits your statement, “We all are selfish maggots fighting with each other by creating false ideas of division, be it nationality, religion, statehood, or whatever.”
I would suggest the facts are far to the contrary but less easily discerned. For the record, and you can test these stats against web resources, about 85 percent of the world’s Muslims are not sympathetic to militant agendas and violence; about 80 percent of the world’s Jews (13 million souls to Islam’s 1.2 billion and Christianity’s 1.8 billion) sustain a universal humanism as opposed to a Levitican orthodoxy, and Christians have stopped warring as Christians since the mercantile and other classes, plus numerous wars, have put their kings largely out of business.
Of the ranks of NGO’s, journalists, and physicians engaged to ease suffering or promote development, education, health, and general good welfare worldwide little need be said: they are everywhere.
God, I’m convinced, enjoys us making up our minds.
What there is no going back to is the medieval world.
53 Klutz // Dec 16, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Dear Nawaz,
I sincerely apologize for my statement below, it was rash and I should have refrained from replying back to someone who did not deserve one
Nevertheless, I hope you will forgive me for this one
===QUOTE===
“Klutzkaboom // Jan 25, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Hhaahah… Sha… nice joke, I love it! You poor dudes… India has a surprise for your… Stay tuned to your idiot boxes, cause the Indian surprise is coming….
By the way, don’t forget to kiss your folks goodnight ever night before you go to bed, cause Allah has plans for you……”
===UNQUOTE===
Warmest regards
Klutz
54 Abdul // Jan 3, 2010 at 5:18 pm
The Pakistani writer nailed it on the heads of Chinese and Pakistani internet users who are always in denial. India is too strong my dear bloggers !! Do not underestimate Indian resolve in Kashmir or Southern Tibet (Arunachal Pradesh) in the case of China.
55 India readying weapon to destroy enemy satellites - Page 8 - Pakistan Defence Forum // Jan 4, 2010 at 11:21 am
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